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How Does A true christian Undo his Justification b
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saturneptune
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Thats funny, in all the chapters you mention, you fail to mention Eph 1: 13-14. It seems when you are trying to make a point, a verse is better suited than an entire chapter.
There are several things you have never explained. Specifically, what does one do to forfeit salvation?
Once one forfeits salvation and forgiveness, how does one regain it in light of Hebrews 6:4-6?
If Christ died once on the cross and His work was finished, what act forgives ones sins on a second round of salvation?
The reason you cannot give specifics is that Christians sin in either thought, deed, motive or action daily. You never can define that line, can you? Since we are a new creature in Jesus Christ, what makes one an old creature? What is the line, does it take two beers, three or four? How many women that one lusts after in the mind does it take to lose salvation?
Your theory of salvation is a perpetual catch 22. Always trying to stay on the right side of the line, then if one crosses it, trying to get salvation back, (by what, who knows), then, add in the factor no one knows when they are going to die. What a miserable existence.
God is not a God of confusion, misery, and a set of rules. How could anyone in your denomination possibly keep their eyes on Jesus during sanctification, when their eyes are fixed on their own destiny constantly. The Pharisees would have loved your theory.
For those who do not have changed lives, they do not cross the line of unsalvation. (what a word). There is no line, as they were never saved in the first place.
Alive in Christ
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If one is truly born a-new ( justified in Gods sight) then there IS NO POSSIBILITY of losing ones justification.
The OP has to do with justification but Ezek 18 has nothing to do with justification. Ezek 18 has to do with the judicial system established by God in Israel. They are forbidden to indite and punish under law those who did not actually commit the sin. On judgement day God indites and punishes only those who break the law. Of course both Ezek and Revelation 12 are speaking of fallen mankind not pre-fallen Adam who acted in a representative capacity.
Its the very Will of God that those that get saved by Him are predestined to be confirmed into image of Christ, that he will make sure to complete that work...
IF we can undo all that, wouldn't that make us greater then God, as our will overpowered His?
NONE of those verses supporting losing our justification before God!
Thomas Helwys
New Member
No.......................
Isn't the power of God ultimately exercised through his "will"??? Paul tells the Philippians to "work out" their salvation (Philip. 2:12) but then tells them by whose ability their "will" and doing is attributed unto - not their own will power but the will power of God (Philip. 2:13). In other words, it is not their own will power that works it IN or OUT but it is God's will power. This does not deny the exercise of their will but it denies that it is their will which is the ultimate cause.
Myth of Free Will, as it was best for Adam to be in the Will of God all the time, and we can trust God would establish his will over His saved to keep them saved!
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
Only from a mind that ignores the specifics of the immediate context.
1. Ezek 18 - judicial practices in the court of law in Israel based upon God's system of justice.
2. Matthew 18 the same manner applied to the wicked servant that was applied by the wicked servant to his own debters - neither eternal, neither hell.
Problem for those holding to a temporal/probationary type of salvation is that NO vesrses/passages in the NT support that notion!