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Spiritual Warfare
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convicted1
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Very good OP to discuss, but I am afraid this is gonna to denegrate into another C. Vs. A. thread.
At first, I was ready to dismiss this as an absolute no, but I am kinda "iffy" on that now. The bible refers to Satan as a "roaring lion", seeking whom he may devour(1 Peter 5:8). Now, what do lions do? They seek to devour the "weaklings", those that are sick, crippled, get seperated from the pack, etc. IOW, those who can't easliy defend themselves. So, if someone is weak in their walk, he may try to attack them harder. I honestly don't know the answer. But, I do think he knows our weak links, since we did serve him for many years, and he will attack us via these weak links.
He hated us even when we were his servants, and he may even hate us more now, if he is possible of having more hatred. I am just so thankful that God got me loose from his clutches, and that I am now secure in His grip. And not amount of demons being tossed at me will ever take me from His clasp. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
Aw, come on man, C&A adversities hasn't...well...hardy...even entered my mind on these issues.
Good relative point concerning that Satan seeks out the weak and "recognizes" the weak when he finds them. One might conclude from that he also recognizes strong then, but does he even want to bother to seek them out?
I'm thinking about Job, now he was strong, but it was God that pointed him out. Concerning upping the attack, Job might say, "Are you kidding me?! Did you hear what Satan brought down on me?!" But those were special and unique circumstances...or were they?
We know we're secure and in Good Hands, but there is still tribulation, ups and downs, wouldn't you say? Battles to face:
(Eph 6:12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
So I'm still wondering if those with "enormous potential for the Kingdom" can expect a greater threat?
Inspector Javert
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I've always thought so. It's kind of an assumption perhaps, but likely a warranted one. I recall the seven sons of Sceva, the demons made the response that "Jesus I know, and Paul I've heard of, but who are you?".
I've always loved how the demons put them in their place in that scenario.....it's really quite humbling. What we at least can know, is that if you are accomplishing nothing....then none of the demons will have heard of you. If you ARE doing great things for God...then, they will have your number. They will KNOW who you are.
I imagine in his "hey-day" There was hardly a demon on Earth who didn't know who Billy Graham was. It only makes sense that Satan would send his best and brightest after him.
I think the thought of the OP is merited, of course, I don't think you could "prove" it though.
I've always loved how the demons put them in their place in that scenario.....it's really quite humbling. What we at least can know, is that if you are accomplishing nothing....then none of the demons will have heard of you. If you ARE doing great things for God...then, they will have your number. They will KNOW who you are.
I imagine in his "hey-day" There was hardly a demon on Earth who didn't know who Billy Graham was. It only makes sense that Satan would send his best and brightest after him.
I think the thought of the OP is merited, of course, I don't think you could "prove" it though.
HisWitness
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what a shame that the people of God keep honoring and praising and giving glory and power to some false god that doesn't exist --if we could only stop for a brief moment and see what we are saying--just maybe we could see the foolishness of the matter.
Think for a minute ye people of God--Can your beloved Satan be every where and all places at the same time--if your answer is.......
no--then I ask you how can he know whos a threat to him or not ??
yes-you are implying that he is as God--all power--utter foolishness
see how downgrading this is to our Lord--you are giving glory and power and honor to another god(which is really no god neither exists)
But I know you will keep holding on to this false doctrine because its what has always been taught by the masses and the masses cant be wrong can they ??
I URGE YOU AS THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO TAKE THE TIME(WHICH YOU CERTAINLY DO HAVE)TO STUDY OUT THIS MATTER EVEN IF IT TAKES YOU 5 YEARS TO DO SO--God deserves ALL the glory and honor and power and no one else--He is the ONLY God and there is NONE else beside Him:godisgood:
I like to call the Devil a great politician (aka lawyer).
He can twist words to get us to think differently (first witness - Eve)
It is very east to phase a statement in such a way to get a desired result.
The Devil is a master at that - but then again with some 6000 years of experience....
He can twist words to get us to think differently (first witness - Eve)
It is very east to phase a statement in such a way to get a desired result.
The Devil is a master at that - but then again with some 6000 years of experience....
You act as if no spiritual warfare exists? Do you believe to discuss what power Satan does possess is foolishness? Way then would we be told to be prepared to stand against the wiles of the Devil??? Can you explain Eph 6:12 in that light?
That is uncalled for, impolite, and something I believe you would think a little harder about before saying if you weren’t hiding behind a keyboard.
I don’t know the extent of Satan’s presence, can you scripturally document his limitations in the world of where he can and can’t be? Give us some extent of his abilities?
If you read more carefully, in the Op I am asking IF he has the potential to know and escalate his attack on those he sees as a greater threat.
Would you argue that Satan doesn’t agenda in the world to attack? What do you do with Job 1:7?
(7) And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
What is utter foolishness, not to forgo mentioning being rude again, is you suggesting I am implying that Satan is Omnipotent! If anything, it is you making the implication that if he is engaging in spiritual warfare in the world then he would have to be Omnipotent, not I. I am merely, and clearly asking the extent of his abilities and if he escalates his attack against those he considers a greater threat?
SO far you have not accurately addressed the issues, have made flaming accusations and have given no support for your misguided dogmatic ramblings. I got to say I’m beginning to wonder whose side you’re on here? :laugh:
What false doctrine??? That there is spiritual warfare going in the world? I’m asking about it and its extent – you seem to be accusing me with some sort of claim that there is NO ACCUSER in the world? Do you believe such a doctrine as “yours” (non-existent spiritual warfare) is Biblical?
I am studying it out, and so far from your contributions on the subject I’ve gotten nothing more than incoherent unsupported dogmatic ramblings that aren’t even addressing the points made in the thread.
Are you suggesting you are honoring God with your behaviors concerning my questions?
You seem to be question begging that someone here is saying there is more than One God merely on the questions of the Op concerning Satan’s potentials and methods of spiritual warfare! I don’t appreciate your tones and the implications that I or others here are worshiping another god and again, I find your behavior radical and cowardly and at least hope your reactions are not typical of how you would act in person to questions such as I have presented here!
I'm thinking if you want to continue with such behaviors maybe you should consider changing your name.
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I'm thinking if you want to continue with such behaviors maybe you should consider changing your name.
Ben, did you miss the opening statement that Satan doesn't exist?
Just like one must believe that "God exists and is the ..."
one must admit that Satan exists or there is no foundation from which to refute such a scheme.
It is going to be interesting to see where this thread takes us!!!
HisWitness
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You act as if no spiritual warfare exists? Do you believe to discuss what power Satan does possess is foolishness? Way then would we be told to be prepared to stand against the wiles of the Devil??? Can you explain Eph 6:12 in that light?
That is uncalled for, impolite, and something I believe you would think a little harder about before saying if you weren’t hiding behind a keyboard.
I don’t know the extent of Satan’s presence, can you scripturally document his limitations in the world of where he can and can’t be? Give us some extent of his abilities?
If you read more carefully, in the Op I am asking IF he has the potential to know and escalate his attack on those he sees as a greater threat.
Would you argue that Satan doesn’t agenda in the world to attack? What do you do with Job 1:7?
(7) And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
What is utter foolishness, not to forgo mentioning being rude again, is you suggesting I am implying that Satan is Omnipotent! If anything, it is you making the implication that if he is engaging in spiritual warfare in the world then he would have to be Omnipotent, not I. I am merely, and clearly asking the extent of his abilities and if he escalates his attack against those he considers a greater threat?
SO far you have not accurately addressed the issues, have made flaming accusations and have given no support for your misguided dogmatic ramblings. I got to say I’m beginning to wonder whose side you’re on here? :laugh:
What false doctrine??? That there is spiritual warfare going in the world? I’m asking about it and its extent – you seem to be accusing me with some sort of claim that there is NO ACCUSER in the world? Do you believe such a doctrine as “yours” (non-existent spiritual warfare) is Biblical?
I am studying it out, and so far from your contributions on the subject I’ve gotten nothing more than incoherent unsupported dogmatic ramblings that aren’t even addressing the points made in the thread.
Are you suggesting you are honoring God with your behaviors concerning my questions?
You seem to be question begging that someone here is saying there is more than One God merely on the questions of the Op concerning Satan’s potentials and methods of spiritual warfare! I don’t appreciate your tones and the implications that I or others here are worshiping another god and again, I find your behavior radical and cowardly and at least hope your reactions are not typical of how you would act in person to questions such as I have presented here!
I'm thinking if you want to continue with such behaviors maybe you should consider changing your name.
no friend not being mean--but i am saddened by the glory and honor that the people of God are giving to this false god.
all this is is a copout for man to place the blame on someone else beside himself--man is the problem for all the evil on this earth.
if you think i have bad behaviors for being grieved about such foolishness.
Then you must think Christ was a REALLY BAD MAN--he said a lot of things that seem worse than that to men--he wasn't being mean but telling the truth friend.
God said he was the ONLY God and that there was NONE beside him(this verse by itself throws out a diety that has such powers as God has)
Originally Posted by HisWitness
what a shame that the people of God keep honoring and praising and giving glory and power to some false god that doesn't exist --if we could only stop for a brief moment and see what we are saying
No, I just began by breaking it (the doesn't exist part) down to see if he really knows what he is actually saying,...his repeated attached suggestion that those who recognized that there is spiritual warfare in the world are somehow honoring Satan throughout his ramblings are also troubling indeed! But, do see he did get away with his attempts to cast shame the first time around based on his - doctrine of non-existence???- without me addressing it.
HisWitness
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Satan is not a name but a word--
Answer something--in the old testament how many times was the word Satan used--when you look it up its very very few--most of them is in Job
what about the rest of the old testament--why wasn't this mentioned any more than it was--why not just say Satan instead of Serpent??if it meant what you think it does--for most a serious topic--it is hardly ever mentioned in the old testament at all ??
By your replies it seems you may have a serious problem having reasonable and rational discussions. No one here is "giving glory and honor to a false god" by recognizing his existence and asking of his potentials and if he escalates his threats on those he considers a greater threat. Are you okay? You aren't making sense with your continued dogmatic uncalled for accusations, which are now that somehow we/I am looking for a copout by recognizing and discussing the potentials and abilities of Satan. Do we need to look into performing an online exorcism for you here?
You have made statements concerning the non-existence of Satan and spiritual warfare. Do you wish to stand by those statements or would you rather admit that your accusations have been uncalled for and/or you haven't comprehended the discussion very well and have shamefully misspoke (meaning calling those discussing these issues foolish and declaring we are trying to honor "our false god" by doing so).
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HisWitness said:
Oh yeah? How did God hold a conversation with a word?
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Obviously God believed he was speaking to a literal person.
Irrelevant and meaningless. And truth be known, Satan is mentioned 56 times in scripture. That's actually quite a bit.
HisWitness
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By your replies it seems you may have a serious problem having reasonable and rational discussions. No one here is "giving glory and honor to a false god" by recognizing his existence and asking of his potentials and if he escalates his threats on those he considers a greater threat. Are you okay? You aren't making sense with your continued dogmatic uncalled for accusations, which are now that somehow we/I am looking for a copout by recognizing and discussing the potentials and abilities of Satan. Do we need to look into performing an online exorcism for you here?
You have made statements concerning the non-existence of Satan and spiritual warfare. Do you wish to stand by those statements or would you rather admit that your accusations have been uncalled for and/or you haven't comprehended the discussion very well and have shamefully misspoke.
i believe in the word--Satan-- but do NOT believe in an angel that sinned and was cast from God as being the so called Satan.
Satan is a loanword not a name--word which means Adversary--Satan is not even the original word in the greek of the true word.study this up friend.
HisWitness
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doesn't even make sense in what you said friend.
Satan is a word meaning Adversary--God was speaking unto a Adversary of Job in his lifetime--a person :godisgood::godisgood:
HisWitness
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exorcism lolBy your replies it seems you may have a serious problem having reasonable and rational discussions. No one here is "giving glory and honor to a false god" by recognizing his existence and asking of his potentials and if he escalates his threats on those he considers a greater threat. Are you okay? You aren't making sense with your continued dogmatic uncalled for accusations, which are now that somehow we/I am looking for a copout by recognizing and discussing the potentials and abilities of Satan. Do we need to look into performing an online exorcism for you here?
You have made statements concerning the non-existence of Satan and spiritual warfare. Do you wish to stand by those statements or would you rather admit that your accusations have been uncalled for and/or you haven't comprehended the discussion very well and have shamefully misspoke (meaning calling those discussing these issues foolish and declaring we are trying to honor "our false god" by doing so).
they thought the same thing about John the Baptist--he called them a bunch of Vipers and SERPENTS--they thought he was mad and said he had a demon(by the way demon didn't mean a demonic force inside--it simply meant they thought he had gone out of his mind)
they thought jesus had a demon because he said they were out to kill him--
they weren't saying jesus had a demonic force inside--they were saying like we would--Why do you think we are out to kill you--you are out of your mind--you think everyone is out to get ya.
Do a word study on demon and devil and see what you find according to the way that the Hebrew word and greek word saw it--you will be surprised.
Baloney, God was holding an actual conversation with Satan, he asked Satan if he had considered his servant Job.
And Satan answered back!
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Satan answered back and accused God of buying Job's love by putting a hedge around him, his house, and all that he had, and challenged God to afflict Job, saying Job would curse him to his face.
That's a pretty nifty trick for a "word", don't you think?
And then this "word" Satan proceeded to bring down the Sabeans to kill his servants and steal his oxen and asses...
Then this "word" Satan caused fire to be rained down from heaven burning up Job's sheep and servants...
Then this "word" Satan caused the Chaldeans to kill his servants and steal his camels...
Then this "word" Satan caused a great wind to knock down his eldest son's house killing all his children.
Wow, this "word" Satan is very impressive if you ask me.
I really don't care what name you put on him, that is just an attempt to form a semantic ambiguous fallacy to avoid the one of the issues at hand. Only one of which concerns the existence of Satan (whatever you want to call him) ...I have also asked you if your accusing behavior in this thread has been rational? But first, does an accuser with an agenda against God's people exist or not? - not referring to you here, BTW.
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HisWitness
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no one has the power to do such things but God--Satan(adversary) asked God to put forth his hand(God's hand) to do those things--
God told Adversary all he had was in his hands--but for the Adversary NOT to put for his hand against Job(Adversary's hand)
God done all these works against Job by the request of the Adversary.
The adversary was commanded NOT to put forth his hand against Job.
Originally Posted by Benjamin
By your replies it seems you may have a serious problem having reasonable and rational discussions. No one here is "giving glory and honor to a false god" by recognizing his existence and asking of his potentials and if he escalates his threats on those he considers a greater threat. Are you okay? You aren't making sense with your continued dogmatic uncalled for accusations, which are now that somehow we/I am looking for a copout by recognizing and discussing the potentials and abilities of Satan. Do we need to look into performing an online exorcism for you here?
You have made statements concerning the non-existence of Satan and spiritual warfare. Do you wish to stand by those statements or would you rather admit that your accusations have been uncalled for and/or you haven't comprehended the discussion very well and have shamefully misspoke (meaning calling those discussing these issues foolish and declaring we are trying to honor "our false god" by doing so).
Seems "HisWitness" wants to "copout" on his statements concerning the existence of Satan by using a argument to not allow for a name for this being. I think the Word has sufficiently addressed and described this being with the name "Satan" but that it beside the point. Your previously statements of non-existence have not been addressed as per their content!