Spiritual Warfare

[convicted1]

Revelation 12 for starters.....

 

[convicted1]

Also what Brother Winman stated......

 

[Amy.G]

Careful Amy on what you don't understand in judging--whatever you judge someone on you will receive that same judgement.

And this statement proves that you do not understand scripture or have an ounce of discernment. Of course we have to judge. You can't even survive in the world without making judgments. We are to judge righteously, which I have, using the discernment God has graciously given me according to His scriptures.

 

[HisWitness]

Revelation 12 for starters.....

Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns again.

this is simply symbolic language and offers nothing to proving that a angel sinned ??

could it possibly be speaking about the political entity of Rome ??

Dragon is Roman Empire with 7 heads and 10 horns--Rulers and Kings ??

here again symbolic language--a empire is the Satan here--the roman empire

it was the Adversary--it was made up of MEN

Still doesn't show the event happening of a angel sinning ????

 

[preacher4truth]

And this statement proves that you do not understand scripture or have an ounce of discernment. Of course we have to judge. You can't even survive in the world without making judgments. We are to judge righteously, which I have, using the discernment God has graciously given me according to His scriptures.

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And this guy calls God satan.

 

[HisWitness]

2 Pet 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These angels sinned when they left their habitation heaven.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

The only cherub that we certainly know was in the garden of Eden was the devil. Iniquity, which is sin, was found in him.

lets just say that event happened--those angels(plural)are BOUND in chains of darkness until their judgement.

Now the question is what can a BOUND fallen angel in chains of darkness do unto men ??? NOTHING

if you study this text is being related to the writings of Enoch which was popular among those people at that time---and the writings of enoch had nothing to do at all with a so called angel named Satan.

it related to the 100 watchers(angels) that supposedly came down and had relations with the women on the earth and bare them children.

I don't believe that even happened--if it did why is the book of enoch not in our bibles ??

just because that text was used doesn't mean it was literally a true event that happened--the writer could have been using it because it was so popular among the people to make a illustration that they would hear and listen unto ???

 

[HisWitness]

And this statement proves that you do not understand scripture or have an ounce of discernment. Of course we have to judge. You can't even survive in the world without making judgments. We are to judge righteously, which I have, using the discernment God has graciously given me according to His scriptures.

okie dokie Lord bless you :jesus::jesus:

 

[convicted1]

Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns again.

this is simply symbolic language and offers nothing to proving that a angel sinned ??

could it possibly be speaking about the political entity of Rome ??

Dragon is Roman Empire with 7 heads and 10 horns--Rulers and Kings ??

here again symbolic language--a empire is the Satan here--the roman empire

it was the Adversary--it was made up of MEN

Still doesn't show the event happening of a angel sinning ????

Okay, try to follow along here:

Rev. 12:3,4

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev. 20:1,2

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

The words Satan, serpent, dragon, and devil are words to describe the wicked one, the one who works in the children of disobedience. Not a human doing this, but an angel fallen.

 

[HisWitness]

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And this guy calls God satan.

God was an adversary to his people in the old testament--therefore he was Satan unto them (Adversary).

When David numbered the people and sinned--God was the Adversary unto them at that time their Satan(Adversary) that is what the word Satan means Adversary--no matter how much you hate to hear it:

 

[convicted1]

god was an adversary to his people in the old testament--therefore he was satan unto them (adversary).

When david numbered the people and sinned--god was the adversary unto them at that time their satan(adversary) that is what the word satan means adversary--no matter how much you hate to hear it:

OMG!!!!!! Mods?????????

 

[HisWitness]

Okay, try to follow along here:






The words Satan, serpent, dragon, and devil are words to describe the wicked one, the one who works in the children of disobedience. Not a human doing this, but an angel fallen.

your wrong again--the words Satan,devil,serpent were all related unto MEN also.
Satan(Adversary) MEN
Devil(accuser)MEN
Serpents ---MEN

MEN were related as Serpents in the new testament
MEN or even God can be related as Adversary(Satan)
MEN can be related as Accusers(Devil)

ALL 3 of these words were related to being MEN in both the old and new testament.

This is still not answering where is the scripture of the Satan(sinning angel) listed in the scriptures ????

 

[HisWitness]

OMG!!!!!! Mods?????????

Scream louder friend the word Satan means Adversary
The old testament used God in one book and Satan in the other book.

it was exactly the same story and happening of the numbering of the people.

one text said Satan and the other text said God

simple meaning of that was that one writer decided to use the WORD Satan instead of God to illustrate that God was Adversary to his people.

instead of screaming for Mods--why don't you study the 2 scriptures and see for yourself :love2::love2::love2:

there was no understanding of an entity called Satan as a fallen angel in their day---neither did the jews in that day even believe such--they knew what was being said that God was the Satan(ADVERSARY)

 

[Winman]

I showed you where Satan sinned.

There were only 4 people in the Garden of Eden. God, Adam and Eve, and Satan in the form of a serpent.

In Ezekiel 28 it is describing the anointed "cherub" that covers, who was in the Garden of Eden. This can ONLY be Satan. And it says he sinned.

I also showed you verses that directly spoke of "the angels that sinned". They left their habitation (heaven).

Now, you said if someone showed you this scripture, you would change your mind. You have not kept your word.

 

[Amy.G]

God was an adversary to his people in the old testament--therefore he was Satan unto them (Adversary).

When David numbered the people and sinned--God was the Adversary unto them at that time their Satan(Adversary) that is what the word Satan means Adversary--no matter how much you hate to hear it:

Like I said.....TROLL!

 

[HisWitness]

I showed you where Satan sinned.

There were only 4 people in the Garden of Eden. God, Adam and Eve, and Satan in the form of a serpent.

In Ezekiel 28 it is describing the anointed "cherub" that covers, who was in the Garden of Eden. This can ONLY be Satan. And it says he sinned.

I also showed you verses that directly spoke of "the angels that sinned". They left their habitation (heaven).

Now, you said if someone showed you this scripture, you would change your mind. You have not kept your word.

you are 100% speculating on the Serpent being Satan--the scriptures does NOT say that--I have showed where MEN are serpents in the new testament and here you are trying to throw a sinning fallen angel in their when the scriptures does NO such thing

when I asked for the scripture to prove that an angel had sinned and cast away from god--I did NOT ask you to present one that was mere speculation on your part--BUT to present one that CLEARLY shows without any dout or any sign of speculation that it happened and you have NOT presented one.

 

[HisWitness]

Like I said.....TROLL!

I hope God haves mercy on your ignorant ramblings sister.

Lord bless you :love2::love2:

1st chron. 21-1: Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved david to number Israel.

2nd Sam. 24-1: Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel and it incited david against them to say Go number Israel and Judah.

Very evident here that the word Satan(adversary) was indeed talking about the LORD.

Rightly dividing both scriptures plainly is what it is saying.

 

[Amy.G]

I hope God haves mercy on your ignorant ramblings sister.
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Very evident here that the word Satan(adversary) was indeed talking about the LORD.

No, it is you that needs mercy.

 

[Winman]

you are 100% speculating on the Serpent being Satan--the scriptures does NOT say that--I have showed where MEN are serpents in the new testament and here you are trying to throw a sinning fallen angel in their when the scriptures does NO such thing

when I asked for the scripture to prove that an angel had sinned and cast away from god--I did NOT ask you to present one that was mere speculation on your part--BUT to present one that CLEARLY shows without any dout or any sign of speculation that it happened and you have NOT presented one.

2 Pet 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I guess you cannot read, this verse clearly speaks of "angels that sinned" and says they were cast down to hell, and delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

There is no speculation here, look in your Bible and see for yourself.

You have not kept your word, I showed you what you asked for, and you said you would change your mind.

And the only "men" in the Garden of Eden were Adam and Eve. The serpent was the devil, he was the anointed cherub in Ezekiel 28. Scripture says he was perfect in his ways in the day he was created until iniquity was found in him.

There have been no men in Eden except Adam and Eve, God chased them out and put an angel to guard the Garden. Adam and Eve had not even had children at this point, there were no other men.

Try keeping your word. It takes courage.

 

[Benjamin]

OMG!!!!!! Mods?????????

I've heard this type of reasoning, insistence that others are honoring Satan, twisted proof-texting and accompanying accusations and declarations of judgment along with claims of evil being indistinguishable between God and Satan and all before - it came from a "group" which was role-playing.

...And I'm highly suspicious that, at best hiswitness has been learning from the wrong sources. If you know what I mean.

 

[HisWitness]

2 Pet 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I guess you cannot read, this verse clearly speaks of "angels that sinned" and says they were cast down to hell, and delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

There is no speculation here, look in your Bible and see for yourself.

You have not kept your word, I showed you what you asked for, and you said you would change your mind.

And the only "men" in the Garden of Eden were Adam and Eve. The serpent was the devil, he was the anointed cherub in Ezekiel 28. Scripture says he was perfect in his ways in the day he was created until iniquity was found in him.

There have been no men in Eden except Adam and Eve, God chased them out and put an angel to guard the Garden. Adam and Eve had not even had children at this point, there were no other men.

Try keeping your word. It takes courage.

iv already posted on this post scroll up some and read it pls :love2: