Are evil thoughts of humans attributed to demons?

[Jope]

Are evil human thoughts attributed to demons: as in, the evil thought the human is having is the demon itself speaking, or the evil thought belongs to the human, and the origin of it came from the demon's deception?

Or (could there be some other option that is unmentioned here)...

 

[Herald]

No. If Satan and every demon was removed from the earth we would still sin; we would still battle evil desires. The problem is our own sinful lusts, not demonic influence.

 

[HisWitness]

Are evil human thoughts attributed to demons: as in, the evil thought the human is having is the demon itself speaking, or the evil thought belongs to the human, and the origin of it came from the demon's deception?

Or (could there be some other option that is unmentioned here)...

The problem is our own sinful lusts, not demonic influence.


:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Jope]

No. If Satan and every demon was removed from the earth we would still sin; we would still battle evil desires. The problem is our own sinful lusts, not demonic influence.

Hey Herald.

How do you think saints are to be deceived by demons according to 1Tim. 4:1, if not through human agents?

 

[saturneptune]

Hey Herald.

How do you think saints are to be deceived by demons according to 1Tim. 4:1, if not through human agents?

There are rare cases of evil acts being the work of demons, but for the most part, as the other posters said, it is our own evil desires, that bring about sin. It is sort of a birthday gift from Adam.

I have definite thoughts about evil thoughts and desires. If we immediately dismiss them, and do not rerun them in our mind or act on them, it is not a sin. I suppose it is like driving down the road and seeing a young woman in short shorts strutting down the sidewalk. If one drives by and thinks nothing else about it, then it is not a sin. If one looks in their rearview mirror and drives around the block for a second look, it becomes sin.

 

[Herald]

Hey Herald.

How do you think saints are to be deceived by demons according to 1Tim. 4:1, if not through human agents?

Demons are at work. There is no dispute about that; but not every sinful/evil act is attributed to demonic influence.

 

[annsni]

It's called the "sin nature".

 

[preacher4truth]

Hmmmm. Who was it that planted the evil in Judas's heart? Who was the lying spirit in the OT sent from God to deceive through the mouths of the false prophets (1 Kings 22)?

But we have one here that believes God is Satan and that Satan is man which means God is both. I wonder if it means we are both as well? :sleep:

I bet it gets even more wacky than this if all saids beliefs were divulged. :wavey:

 

[Jope]

Demons are at work. There is no dispute about that; but not every sinful/evil act is attributed to demonic influence.

Hey again Herald,

The OP was about thoughts, not acts.

But, while we're on the topic, I'm just curious as to how you would categorize responsibility of the evil act between Satan and, as your position suggests, the evil nature of humans.

Also, would you categorize responsibility of the evil thought between Satan and the evil nature of humans?

 

[Jope]

There are rare cases of evil acts being the work of demons, but for the most part, as the other posters said, it is our own evil desires, that bring about sin. It is sort of a birthday gift from Adam.

The OP was about thoughts, not acts.

Also, if the whole unchristian world is, for the most part, being led by their own evil desires, and not Satan, to do their evil work, then how come 1 John 5:19 tells us that the whole world is under the control of Satan?

Ephesians 2 also says,

vv. 1-3, ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.​

that the "passions of our flesh", "the desires of the body and the mind", are in control of Satan in the non-christian: Thus attributing the responsibility of evil in the evil nature of men to Satan.

 

[HisWitness]

There are rare cases of evil acts being the work of demons, but for the most part, as the other posters said, it is our own evil desires, that bring about sin. It is sort of a birthday gift from Adam.

I have definite thoughts about evil thoughts and desires. If we immediately dismiss them, and do not rerun them in our mind or act on them, it is not a sin. I suppose it is like driving down the road and seeing a young woman in short shorts strutting down the sidewalk. If one drives by and thinks nothing else about it, then it is not a sin. If one looks in their rearview mirror and drives around the block for a second look, it becomes sin.

not a birthday gift--it was in adam before he fell--those desires was there before the fall or he would NOT have desired to do the evil in the first place.

it is in us in like manner at our birth as it was in adam when he was created.

Before others say im saying God created adam in a fallen state--I am NOT

I am saying that just because the evil desires are present---that doesn't mean that we sin--if we act upon those desires--then we Sin

Adam plainly had that desire within himself to do that evil---and he acted upon it---we are the same way also---adam had desires to sin before the fall--he had the same desires after the fall--as we do also.

the only difference is adam just had 1 thing NOT to do that he desired to do.

After the fall he knew good and evil and his eyes were opened to more knowledge than he had before--also brought more desires to do of that that was evil .

 

[HisWitness]

not a birthday gift--it was in adam before he fell--those desires was there before the fall or he would NOT have desired to do the evil in the first place.

it is in us in like manner at our birth as it was in adam when he was created.

Before others say im saying God created adam in a fallen state--I am NOT

I am saying that just because the evil desires are present---that doesn't mean that we sin--if we act upon those desires--then we Sin

Adam plainly had that desire within himself to do that evil---and he acted upon it---we are the same way also---adam had desires to sin before the fall--he had the same desires after the fall--as we do also.

the only difference is adam just had 1 thing NOT to do that he desired to do.

After the fall he knew good and evil and his eyes were opened to more knowledge than he had before--also brought more desires to do of that that was evil .

The gift that we really did receive from adam was that men were made sinners through adam and because of adam's sin--DEATH passed upon man.

These are the true gift's men received through adam :flower::flower:

 

[Jope]

not a birthday gift--it was in adam before he fell--those desires was there before the fall or he would NOT have desired to do the evil in the first place.

Proverbs 24:9 tells us that the very thought of foolishness is sin.

Therefore Adam's thought of doing evil would be sufficient enough for the fall to have happened. Seeing as the fall didn't happen until after the serpent event, Adam didn't didn't have evil desires until after the serpent event and/or after the fall.

 

[Herald]

Hey again Herald,

The OP was about thoughts, not acts.

But, while we're on the topic, I'm just curious as to how you would categorize responsibility of the evil act between Satan and, as your position suggests, the evil nature of humans.

Also, would you categorize responsibility of the evil thought between Satan and the evil nature of humans?

James 1:14-15 14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin [p]is accomplished, it brings forth death.

The thought (temptation) to sin begins in the human mind and heart. Satan and/or demons may present a temptation (Matthew 4), but the individual is responsible for how he responds to the temptation (1 Corinthians 10:13).

 

[HisWitness]

Proverbs 24:9 tells us that the very thought of foolishness is sin.

Therefore Adam's thought of doing evil would be sufficient enough for the fall to have happened. Seeing as the fall didn't happen until after the serpent event, Adam didn't didn't have evil desires until after the serpent event and/or after the fall.

well you believe that some fallen angelic being named Satan is the cause of the havoc on mankind.

I believe that Man was the cause for his own fall---and therefore Adam did have the desire to do that evil before the serpent event---because Adam was the Serpent himself--:flower::flower::flower:

 

[Jope]

The thought (temptation) to sin begins in the human mind and heart. Satan and/or demons may present a temptation (Matthew 4), but the individual is responsible for how he responds to the temptation (1 Corinthians 10:13).

I've been doing some more thinking. Turns out I have answered my question:

Seeing as the thought of foolishness is sin (Pr. 24:9), and seeing as all sin comes from the devil (1John 3:7-8), the evil thought must be the demon speaking.

Here is a question though:

Is temptation different from thinking an evil thought?

 

[Jope]

Adam was the Serpent himself--:flower::flower::flower:

Can you back this statement up with scripture?

 

[Jope]

Here is a question though:

Is temptation different from thinking an evil thought?

I've been doing some thinking on this question as well, after reading convicted1's post. What I've concluded, is that temptation is different from thinking an evil thought. Christ was tempted, but he never thought an evil thought, seeing as thinking an evil thought is sin (Pr. 24:9), and Christ was sinless.

 

[convicted1]

Can you back this statement up with scripture?

I'll answer this ? for him......nope........

 

[saturneptune]

I'll answer this ? for him......nope........

Hezikiah 4:13-15, WVV