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Is Your Preaching Stained With Blood?

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Revmitchell

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... Some of this is the result of the lingering sting of liberal Christian hostility toward a “slaughterhouse religion.” Some of it is the result of an age that fears blood, but doesn’t know why. Some of it is the result of our ignorance, as we think that “blood” is just another metaphor, one we can easily replace.

And yet, bloodless Christianity leaves a void. Could it be that the lack of emphasis on blood in evangelical Protestant churches at least partially explains why Baptists and Methodists and Pentecostals who otherwise would have little to do with Roman Catholic imagery found themselves openly weeping in movie theaters as they viewed The Passion of the Christ? Did they need to remember that “with his stripes we are healed” (Is. 53:5)?

Our embarrassment over the bloodiness of Christianity often results in blood atonement being presented in our catechism and discipleship of believers in an attenuated, abstract sort of way. Less and less often do ordinary believers hum to themselves songs about the blood of Jesus. Less and less often do small children memorize Scripture passages about the blood of Christ.

We assume that we first convince unbelievers to follow Jesus—and then we explicate the meaning of his blood, when we think they’re ready for this specialized theological knowledge. But how do we address consciences indicted by the ancient Accuser of Eden—some of them tortured by the knowledge that they have shed innocent blood themselves—without pointing them to the only means of conquering him, “the blood of the Lamb” (Rev. 12:10–11)?

We assume that we teach young Christians how to live, to abstain from sexual immorality and greed and pugilism, before we move to something as seemingly arcane as blood sacrifice. And yet, Scripture assumes that personal morality is built on the knowledge that we were bought “with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot” (1 Peter 1:19).

We assume that we build “community” in our churches before we address something as raw and potentially alienating as the shedding of blood. And yet, the community we share—bearing with all of one another’s faults and transcending our petty ethnic and cultural prejudices—comes only through the recognition that we share a common condemnation as sinners, but, as we will still confess to our Christ in the heavenly places, “you were slain, and with your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation” (Rev. 5:9). Shared life is based on shared blood.

Even the vampires in our popular fiction know that. That’s what makes our bloodless Christianity all the more ironic. We believe we’re more in tune with unbelievers around us, but they’re talking constantly about blood, from pharmaceutical advertisements to horror films, from vampire romance novels to AIDS and DNA testing.

The nineteenth- and twentieth-century revivalist tradition gave the Church a valued psalter of “blood medleys.” Some of them could be done better musically and lyrically, and some even theologically. But let us never be embarrassed by our emphasis—in song, in public prayer, in evangelism, in discipleship and in preaching—on the blood of Jesus.

There is power—wonder-working power—in the blood. Our culture already sees that. They’re simply looking in the wrong veins.

Russell Moore


http://www.sermoncentral.com/pastor...n=scnewsletter&utm_content=SC+Update+20130629
 

HankD

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Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.​
 

HisWitness

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... Some of this is the result of the lingering sting of liberal Christian hostility toward a “slaughterhouse religion.” Some of it is the result of an age that fears blood, but doesn’t know why. Some of it is the result of our ignorance, as we think that “blood” is just another metaphor, one we can easily replace.

And yet, bloodless Christianity leaves a void. Could it be that the lack of emphasis on blood in evangelical Protestant churches at least partially explains why Baptists and Methodists and Pentecostals who otherwise would have little to do with Roman Catholic imagery found themselves openly weeping in movie theaters as they viewed The Passion of the Christ? Did they need to remember that “with his stripes we are healed” (Is. 53:5)?

Our embarrassment over the bloodiness of Christianity often results in blood atonement being presented in our catechism and discipleship of believers in an attenuated, abstract sort of way. Less and less often do ordinary believers hum to themselves songs about the blood of Jesus. Less and less often do small children memorize Scripture passages about the blood of Christ.

We assume that we first convince unbelievers to follow Jesus—and then we explicate the meaning of his blood, when we think they’re ready for this specialized theological knowledge. But how do we address consciences indicted by the ancient Accuser of Eden—some of them tortured by the knowledge that they have shed innocent blood themselves—without pointing them to the only means of conquering him, “the blood of the Lamb” (Rev. 12:10–11)?

We assume that we teach young Christians how to live, to abstain from sexual immorality and greed and pugilism, before we move to something as seemingly arcane as blood sacrifice. And yet, Scripture assumes that personal morality is built on the knowledge that we were bought “with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot” (1 Peter 1:19).

We assume that we build “community” in our churches before we address something as raw and potentially alienating as the shedding of blood. And yet, the community we share—bearing with all of one another’s faults and transcending our petty ethnic and cultural prejudices—comes only through the recognition that we share a common condemnation as sinners, but, as we will still confess to our Christ in the heavenly places, “you were slain, and with your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation” (Rev. 5:9). Shared life is based on shared blood.

Even the vampires in our popular fiction know that. That’s what makes our bloodless Christianity all the more ironic. We believe we’re more in tune with unbelievers around us, but they’re talking constantly about blood, from pharmaceutical advertisements to horror films, from vampire romance novels to AIDS and DNA testing.

The nineteenth- and twentieth-century revivalist tradition gave the Church a valued psalter of “blood medleys.” Some of them could be done better musically and lyrically, and some even theologically. But let us never be embarrassed by our emphasis—in song, in public prayer, in evangelism, in discipleship and in preaching—on the blood of Jesus.

There is power—wonder-working power—in the blood. Our culture already sees that. They’re simply looking in the wrong veins.

Russell Moore


http://www.sermoncentral.com/pastor...n=scnewsletter&utm_content=SC+Update+20130629

right on--the blood of bulls and goats COULD NOT TAKE AWAY SINS
BUT the Precious Blood of Yeshua has taken away Sin--shall make all righteous and brought forth life(resurrection from the Dead):love2::love2:
 

saturneptune

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Affirmative...................

Also, I still like posting here sometimes and don't want to be banned.
Thomas, stating an opinion without resorting to jabs and name calling will not be cause for banning. Everyone wants to hear your opinion, or I know I do. PM it to me then.
 

Deacon

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I would, but I don't care to be attacked.
Post with grace and humility and be open to correction and you can post your thoughts without fear.
Of course for many it is too difficult a task ...

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Regarding the opening post

At the time the NT church was first forming the Christians were very familiar with the stories found in the OT scriptures.
They knew why blood was an important element in their theology.

Unfortunately it is not uncommon for Christians today to believe that the OT is not applicable to them.
Ignorant of this basic OT foundation, it is easy to believe that blood is merely a barbaric tradition that can be disregarded.

IMO, preachers should spend as much time (or more) teaching from the OT as they do from the NT.

Rob
 

Thomas Helwys

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Post with grace and humility and be open to correction and you can post your thoughts without fear.
Of course for many it is too difficult a task ...

***************​

Regarding the opening post

At the time the NT church was first forming the Christians were very familiar with the stories found in the OT scriptures.
They knew why blood was an important element in their theology.

Unfortunately it is not uncommon for Christians today to believe that the OT is not applicable to them.
Ignorant of this basic OT foundation, it is easy to believe that blood is merely a barbaric tradition that can be disregarded.

IMO, preachers should spend as much time (or more) teaching from the OT as they do from the NT.

Rob

(See the part I put in bold) Unfortunately, that is not the case.
 

Revmitchell

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If you are not going to elaborate for fear of attack then maybe it would have been better if you had not posted at all. Let's not derail the thread just because someone wants to make a post designed to protest rather than engage the topic.
 

Thomas Helwys

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If you are not going to elaborate for fear of attack then maybe it would have been better if you had not posted at all. Let's not derail the thread just because someone wants to make a post designed to protest rather than engage the topic.

Rather stretching, aren't you? I gave my opinion, and I stopped at that. There was nothing concerning "protest" in it. My further posts have been in response to questions I was asked, and I did that in good faith. So, now you come in and attack that and my motives. Just goes to prove my point.
 

Revmitchell

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Rather stretching, aren't you? I gave my opinion, and I stopped at that. There was nothing concerning "protest" in it. My further posts have been in response to questions I was asked, and I did that in good faith. So, now you come in and attack that and my motives. Just goes to prove my point.

Just stop side tracking my thread. I am sure you have other things to do. You are not a victim.
 

HisWitness

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Post with grace and humility and be open to correction and you can post your thoughts without fear.
Of course for many it is too difficult a task ...

***************​

Regarding the opening post

At the time the NT church was first forming the Christians were very familiar with the stories found in the OT scriptures.
They knew why blood was an important element in their theology.

Unfortunately it is not uncommon for Christians today to believe that the OT is not applicable to them.
Ignorant of this basic OT foundation, it is easy to believe that blood is merely a barbaric tradition that can be disregarded.

IMO, preachers should spend as much time (or more) teaching from the OT as they do from the NT.

Rob

you hit the nail on the head friend!!!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

Because the apostles and Yeshua himself quoted from that very same OT in their teachings---
 

preacher4truth

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Is our PREACHING stained with blood?

Hmmm.

Yes. Many have their pulpit duties (acting in a pulpit) stained with blood. No one cares about our preaching when it is divorced from ones life.

Are our actions and our fruit stained with blood? Or do these deny our pulpit life and behavior toward others?
 

Herald

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... Some of this is the result of the lingering sting of liberal Christian hostility toward a “slaughterhouse religion.” Some of it is the result of an age that fears blood, but doesn’t know why. Some of it is the result of our ignorance, as we think that “blood” is just another metaphor, one we can easily replace.

And yet, bloodless Christianity leaves a void. Could it be that the lack of emphasis on blood in evangelical Protestant churches at least partially explains why Baptists and Methodists and Pentecostals who otherwise would have little to do with Roman Catholic imagery found themselves openly weeping in movie theaters as they viewed The Passion of the Christ? Did they need to remember that “with his stripes we are healed” (Is. 53:5)?

Our embarrassment over the bloodiness of Christianity often results in blood atonement being presented in our catechism and discipleship of believers in an attenuated, abstract sort of way. Less and less often do ordinary believers hum to themselves songs about the blood of Jesus. Less and less often do small children memorize Scripture passages about the blood of Christ.

We assume that we first convince unbelievers to follow Jesus—and then we explicate the meaning of his blood, when we think they’re ready for this specialized theological knowledge. But how do we address consciences indicted by the ancient Accuser of Eden—some of them tortured by the knowledge that they have shed innocent blood themselves—without pointing them to the only means of conquering him, “the blood of the Lamb” (Rev. 12:10–11)?

We assume that we teach young Christians how to live, to abstain from sexual immorality and greed and pugilism, before we move to something as seemingly arcane as blood sacrifice. And yet, Scripture assumes that personal morality is built on the knowledge that we were bought “with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot” (1 Peter 1:19).

We assume that we build “community” in our churches before we address something as raw and potentially alienating as the shedding of blood. And yet, the community we share—bearing with all of one another’s faults and transcending our petty ethnic and cultural prejudices—comes only through the recognition that we share a common condemnation as sinners, but, as we will still confess to our Christ in the heavenly places, “you were slain, and with your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation” (Rev. 5:9). Shared life is based on shared blood.

Even the vampires in our popular fiction know that. That’s what makes our bloodless Christianity all the more ironic. We believe we’re more in tune with unbelievers around us, but they’re talking constantly about blood, from pharmaceutical advertisements to horror films, from vampire romance novels to AIDS and DNA testing.

The nineteenth- and twentieth-century revivalist tradition gave the Church a valued psalter of “blood medleys.” Some of them could be done better musically and lyrically, and some even theologically. But let us never be embarrassed by our emphasis—in song, in public prayer, in evangelism, in discipleship and in preaching—on the blood of Jesus.

There is power—wonder-working power—in the blood. Our culture already sees that. They’re simply looking in the wrong veins.

Russell Moore


http://www.sermoncentral.com/pastor...n=scnewsletter&utm_content=SC+Update+20130629

Rev., an atonement without blood is no atonement at all. Thank you for posting this.
 
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