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The husband is the head of the wife
- Thread starter Salty
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If husband and wife have mutual respect and love for each other, and their relationship is founded on Jesus Christ and Scripture, this is never a problem. The word submission does not mean tyranny or mistreatment of each other.
Best, most practical post of the thread.
That's not an example of submission.
No, but it is safe to say that you don't know what submission means. Submission means to defer to someone else's authority.
Jesus never submits to the Church's authority. To the contrary, it is always the Church that submits to Jesus' authority.
If you don't even know what submission is, then you have no credibility.
Just following the Greek grammar, my mistake. Interested where submission as authority is found because it isn't in this verse.
BTW there are better arguments for the complementary interpretation then forcing submission to be authority. If its credibility you're interested in, you may want to find some.
Just following the Greek grammar, my mistake. Interested where submission as authority is found because it isn't in this verse.
BTW there are better arguments for the complementary interpretation then forcing submission to be authority. If its credibility you're interested in, you may want to find some.
And if you would like credibility, perhaps you should stop repeatedly lying about what I've said and falsely attributing words to me.
I never said that submission is authority. I said just the opposite: that submission is deference to authority. Submission, by definition, cannot be authority.
If you'd like to discuss this honestly, then let me know. Otherwise, because of your repeated dishonesty in purposely misrepresenting my position, I'm going to go ahead and treat you like the troll you are.
If you'd like to discuss this honestly, then let me know. Otherwise, because of your repeated dishonesty in purposely misrepresenting my position, I'm going to go ahead and treat you like the troll you are.
He's actually right about all of this. Verse 21 doesn't have a verb without 22. Furthermore, the Greek kephale in this instance likely means "source," as we know from the creation story. It doesn't suggest authority. Husbands and wives are to submit to each other. If both partners are applying this, you'll find a much more natural and fluid division of roles, and nobody will really ever have to have the final word.
He's actually right about all of this. Verse 21 doesn't have a verb without 22. Furthermore, the Greek kephale in this instance likely means "source," as we know from the creation story. It doesn't suggest authority. Husbands and wives are to submit to each other. If both partners are applying this, you'll find a much more natural and fluid division of roles, and nobody will really ever have to have the final word.
Then why don't you go ahead and tell us where in scripture we ever see Christ submitting to the authority of the Church?
Come on. You can do it. Just show us one verse.
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And if you would like credibility, perhaps you should stop repeatedly lying about what I've said and falsely attributing words to me.
I never said that submission is authority. I said just the opposite: that submission is deference to authority. Submission, by definition, cannot be authority.
If you'd like to discuss this honestly, then let me know. Otherwise, because of your repeated dishonesty in purposely misrepresenting my position, I'm going to go ahead and treat you like the troll you are.
Submission in this instance has nothing to do with authority, not even deference to authority as you put it. Authority on any level is not in view here. Not my opinion, but the actual words of the text. Therefore your question of having Jesus submit to the church is a non-starter, because that is not what is being addressed. Your understanding of submission is causing you to see things that aren't there.
As to being a troll, perhaps, I will take it under advisement.
Submission in this instance has nothing to do with authority, not even deference to authority as you put it. Authority on any level is not in view here. Not my opinion, but the actual words of the text. Therefore your question of having Jesus submit to the church is a non-starter, because that is not what is being addressed. Your understanding of submission is causing you to see things that aren't there.
Actually he is right about that let's tale a look:
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
Eph 5:24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.