Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Again...I reply...there are no bishops in the bible as there are no pastors in the Bible. I ask "Are you saying a pastor is an Elder?" If so why does he have a special title? Why does he not identify himself as an elder among other elders of the Church....and where are the Elders that Paul worked to appoint in every Church and are called by the Holy Spirit?
THis is a very, very simple matter to understand. The people who advocated the strongest for the office of the pastor are pastors. They have a livelihood to protect. Lets face it, pastors need churches but churches with Elders do not need pastors.
Yes. It may take some time but I can and will if I get around to it. Don't worry about the translation because it won't say "pastor", it would say "shepherd." Also since Virgil was not a Christian he used the Latin word "pastor" in its original classical sense which is one who tends to sheep. Incidentally I am not aware of any works of Virgil written in Greek.By the way, can you provide me an example of Virgil of Virgil using the word pastor in Latin, not a translation but in his works?
Again, there are no bishops in the Bible. You make my argument by saying Elders and deacons...yes those are the only two offices in the Church. Not, Elder, Bishop and pastors or any other combination. It is a college of Elders because it is always in the plural. Always more than one. Otherwise you are back to being under the influence of a single person, like a priest or pastor.Yes, where is your 'College of Elders' [?] in say, Philippians?
Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons...
Yes, we will end the position of pastor. My name will be placed among others who have served the Church faithfully for a yet unspecified number of years and will be selected as our Elders. Hopefully, I might be counted among that number. I Timothy 3:1-7 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. It is well to aspire to be an Overseer/Elder. With great responsibility and great accountability comes this task. Think on this, no longer will the this task be allotted to those who attend seminary, or feel "called" above others, or have the gift of gab. The Eldership is available to all who serve the Church faithfully and give of themselves without do so out of it being a professional career.Alvin, why do you have to step down. Would the chruch rename the position as elder?
In fact everywhere you look you see Elders is always plural. Plural means more than one. By the way I notice you a Rev. Are you aware that term means "worthy of honor?" That term is also not in the Bible. All we do when we come up with these titles is further separate ourselves from those we seek to minister.There is no where in scripture where it says there shall be multiple elders in in every church and this is the only model there is to ever be thus sayeth the Lord.
It is just not there.
Since we have no Elders, what we are considering/discussing is that Elders will be selected by the membership of the Church of those having been a member of good standing for a period of three years, accompanied by a time of prayer and fasting. I am open to any suggestions you might have that may be helpful.Who exactly will be doing the choosing?
In fact everywhere you look you see Elders is always plural. Plural means more than one. By the way I notice you a Rev. Are you aware that term means "worthy of honor?" That term is also not in the Bible. All we do when we come up with these titles is further separate ourselves from those we seek to minister.
Since we have no Elders, what we are considering/discussing is that Elders will be selected by the membership of the Church of those having been a member of good standing for a period of three years, accompanied by a time of prayer and fasting. I am open to any suggestions you might have that may be helpful.
selected by the membership of the Church of those having been a member of good standing for a period of three years