Featured Moderation is what helps- not teetotalism

In the extent that Paul commends that one support the weak. He didn't say just would just be careful about when and where he ate meat. To the contrary, he said he would totally abstain as long as the world stood.

The title of the thread is a direct contradiction of the verse I posted.

But, just so there is no confusion, a weak brother, Scripturally, is not one who has a propensity to overindulge or to be drunken (which means an excess of food as well as drink), but one who has a conscience toward certain meats or wine as evil things, and the propensity to go beyond what his faith will allow.

 

OK. Well, I simply disagree, and after the both of us making point and counter point, I am content to let our disagreement be.

 

You have a point. IFB are often fringe and have little influence in the modern evangelical circles. They are ignored by most and labeled as legalists. However I'd rather have a IFB anyday over a compromising evangelical.

John of Japan I do not agree with in some areas but at least he knows where he stands. He knows the Bible, and although he may be legalistic he at least knows the true gospel.

 

LSD? Cocaine? murder? polygamy?
Or did you never hear about those things when you were younger?

 

Those things were not legal, were not continually preached against, and were not posted on the church wall.

 

Actually, LSD was quite legal when I was a teen and the police could not prevent people from taking it. Laws had to be passed before they could legally stop people from using it. It is similar to Salvia the kids were using just a year or two ago, there were no laws against it's use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pfs8sqOX0o

I believe LSD (and Salvia) would come under sorcery, the word "sorceries" used in several places in scripture is pharmakeia, very similar to our word pharmaceuticals, meaning to take drugs.

 

Some things in the Bible are absolutes, not given to moderation such as the things you mention above. Then there are items that fall under moderation like drinking. Those unable to distinguish between the two need to use common sense.

The bottom line is those who make moderation items absolutes and choose to impose their will on others have a Pharisee type mindset, which has nothing to do with Scripture or the Gospel.

 

Wow..... not me.....I dont see it bearing fruit. But thats my perception. Now I just open up my bible & read. The Holy Spirit is a much better teacher than, "you must not" & "obey me because I am gods chosen representative" folks.

BTW, I don't agree with SBC churches either.....they are just as useless. Both the IFB & the SBC are two extremes & both misrepresent what Christ was trying to teach. As for me, I have jettisoned both from my life. I need a church I can trust, not a malformed bastardized gathering place. They accomplish nothing & leave people empty & wanting the true Christ. And you wont find it there, I am sorry to say.

 

Well said & very true.....Im afraid ITL you have a realistic understanding of things & to some in here you need to stop viewing things like that ..... so just stop! :laugh:

 

That's a sad statement up there. There are several good SBC churches here in town and are solid in reformed teaching. To call them all malformed and bastardized is ridiculous knee jerk arrogance. You know better than this.

 

Fine. But consider what you do, and what Paul said is good in the verse I posted.

 

Dude, DHK has you by your boys in his last post. Your blame of church for your drunkenness continues in soprano.

 

Oh do I....never seen one worth its salt.

 

You think so?!?

 

So you concede....kinda. :laugh:

 

That is painting with a pretty wide brush. While I have some disagreements with the actual Southern Baptist Convention, there are quite a few member churches that faithfully proclaim the gospel. Two come to mind right away: Capital Hill Baptist in Washington, D.C. (Pastor Mark Dever) and Grace Baptist Church of Cape Coral, FL (Pastor Tom Ascol).

 

Yep. Agreed. It's hypocritical to boot. It's like the old saying people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.