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Yes.

Two things:
1- It doesn't MATTER why. Why God did what he did is irrelevant to us because usually that is a question too great for us.

If he did not TELL us why, then we don't CARE.

2- The call IS powerful enough to do exactly what he intended for it to do- to save the elect.

No, it isn't like that, but who cares if it is. It is God's prerogative to make things the way he wants to make them and he doesn't have to tell us why.

No, that's not the only options. He could cause some to hear and leave the others to be deaf to it.... Which is what he DID.

You don't need biblical support to answer a hypothetical. You are saying HYPOTHETICALLY it SEEMS like God is doing this... Why?

How could anything BE any more meaningless. There is no call for anyone to answer such nonsense.

 

Why can't they be punished?

Why can't they be held accountable?

Because you say so?

I don't think God CARES what you have to say on the matter.

 

Because they are DEAD, unconscious. Are you really that dense? Tell me what is accomplished by fining a corpse, putting a corpse in prison, or sitting a corpse in an electric chair.

You cannot be serious. Try sending a bill to a cemetery, or a police officer to arrest a corpse and tell me how that goes.

Am I talking to an adult here?

So God doesn't care what I say...but He cares about that the foolishness you spouted above? OK :thumbs:

 

webdog

We can be sure the corpse will not resist arrest:laugh: Or we could say he offered "stiff" resistance:wavey:

Hello WD, now to answer from the closed thread....

To which you replied;

You are free to express your pov. I do not share it.
My entire doctrine[as much as can be faithfully expounded from scripture] is spiritual and must be spiritually revealed to a person...1cor2
2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:



God has "ordained these truths" for those sinners he has ordained to save: That is what is taught here. The men upon whose "backs " have been used to bring us the complete revelation of scripture are the Apostles and Prophets ..Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.

They are used to receive this word and inscripturate it.Then the Spirit is given to Natural men...At Regeneration....transforming them into Spiritual men who can begin to understand...SAVINGLY...the word of God.

before that as natural men...they had an inability to correctly understand it as Paul continues.

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Each and every one of you deny this is so...as you would say that the princes in vs8...could know or as some suggest...the natural man can indeed understand truth savingly,,,apart from and prior to the Spirit's work....

My post was in response to Lukes comments. I stand by my post because everyday We see this pattern ..over and over. The poster known as Protestant started yet another short lived thread on this...where he quoted about half a dozen examples...direct quotes...that avoid dealing with scripture directly.

You say my post is backhanded....I see it as getting to the heart of the issue.
If Paul states what he does in vs 1-8...then we are to be about scripture.
When I see The puritans and reformers being about scripture...and about Jesus....I am drawn to that and want to feed on it.

You have more of an appetite for....debate fallacy language...red herring, begging the question, non sequitor, etc....then offering any scriptural discussion....more than half of your posts are of this sort....are you saying it is not so????

Is it possible for you to make a scriptural presentation without using these philosophical reasonings to avoid the truth being discussed?
Give your version of the truth...from scripture.

I am sure that I have many defects that need to be mortified as sinful...and lacking in grace....That being said....here on BB I do not think that is what is the root issue.It seems as if the real issue is......You and others are increasingly uncomfortable when we ask you to use scripture and clarify a point...instead we get attacked, and called names.

When we respond and demonstrate this...we are "the passive aggressive" calvinist...or RM cannot wait to say...The "arrogant' calvinist....so rude.

Then a plea goes out to the Mods....look what he said to me:laugh: hide these guys in a new forum....help us....give us a forum where we can make a drive by post or two...then when they answer we can wilt , and sneak way before we have to answer the verses they keep supplying for us to look at.

many of us would prefer to see the BB become more of a place for edification and learning...that will only come from scriptural interaction...not carnal philosophy , debate fallacies, and out of context musings from hate sites...

I do not see it as "back handed" at all.I see it as direct communication that at this time you perhaps only agree with in part.:wavey:

 

The sinner does not respond....not because of what is decreed.....the sinner does not respond because being dead in Adam...he responds in rebellion because he loves his sin, More than God. The sinner has no way of knowing what God has decreed in His plan...other than that which is revealed in scripture....which the sinner also hates because of his own sinful lusts and desires as well as satanic blindness....

You will see this also....when you stop trying to blame God for the sinfulness of the sinner,,,,dead,spiritual corpse in Adam.

 

Correct. Skan and webdog are hung up on the corpse analogy of Ephesians 2:1. Being spiritually dead means dead to righteousness. In Romans 8 we read that the mind set on the flesh is death (8:6). The mind set on the flesh belongs to those who are according to the flesh (8:5). The fleshly, carnal man is the same man who is described in 1 Corinthians 2:14 as the natural man.

The fleshly, carnal, natural man is dead to righteousness. He does not desire righteousness and cannot understand it, spiritually. The result of the Fall is complete and utter.

 

Skan,

Over time I have noticed that your questions seen to ignore, or not take into account the fact that salvation...or the lack of it ...unfold in real time.

What I mean is you take a theological word...like decree, or foreordain and question it's application. You do not seem to think in terms of what happens in real time.Sinners are sinning. Most have no fear of God. Most have no interest in any of these topics....the thoughts and intents of their heart are only evil continually.
God reveals His eternal purpose to the church.We learn of these things,the world does not.Having a correct view of the doctrine allows for a correct gospel presentation.Denying these truths about mans inability will not further the gospel.

 

We aren't hung up on the analogy, we were merely commenting on it. We don't believe the corpse mentality.

Death is separation from God. That is it. Adding man cannot understand his condition and Gods solution is not found anywhere in Scripture.

 

They are only corpses in the sense that they are no more capable of doing righteousness than a corpse is. I should not have to explain this to you.

 

Thank you. Skan and webdog are complicating the obvious.

 

No, we were replying directly to Sltzr Mtn.'s quote. Take it up with him.

 

Webdog, well, it is well documented (at least with my previous debates with Skan) that I believe Ephesians 2:1 teaches that all sinners are spiritually dead and incapable of any positive spiritual actions. It takes a unilateral act by God, Himself to make the sinner capable of a positive spiritual action such as faith/belief.

 

I'm aware of that. I believe any spiritual life apart from Christ is a false doctrine as Scripture states life is in Him. I do agree without God reaching out to man, man would never seek Him.

 

We have produced MULTIPLE passages that you disagree with. What a surprise.