Unregenerate "Christians"

[saturneptune]

Please explain.

No one, and I mean no one, except the Lord and the individual, know for 100% who is saved or who is not. Based on your observation of the "fruit" you might make a good guess. Since we are all sinners and flawed, we do not have clear judgment. Patterns for us to observe require a long period of time and constant watching to understand the particular case. It amazes me on this board we have pastors, leaders of the local church, proclaiming Joel Olsten's or Billy Graham's salvation. There have been entire threads on one person's salvation. Sometimes it is better to just not say anything.

 

[JonC]

No one, and I mean no one, except the Lord and the individual, know for 100% who is saved or who is not. Based on your observation of the "fruit" you might make a good guess. Since we are all sinners and flawed, we do not have clear judgment. Patterns for us to observe require a long period of time and constant watching to understand the particular case. It amazes me on this board we have pastors, leaders of the local church, proclaiming Joel Olsten's or Billy Graham's salvation. There have been entire threads on one person's salvation. Sometimes it is better to just not say anything.

I agree that no one can truly know of another’s salvation.

But still, I don’t think that this passage is something that should be omitted from study. While I don’t think that the passage is telling you how to know one is saved, it is providing insight on genuine Christianity.

(In retrospect, however, I did choose an unfortunate title for the post. The Matthew 7 one was closed but that was the passage I was contemplating).

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Thank you for posting this. I agree with the pastor, our works are not only about moral evil or moral good but instead about a passionate life to be obedient to Jesus or not. He notes that it is false notion that what one knows about Jesus determines everything about you; it is not about knowing but about believing and belief is rooted in commitment - giving one’s self over to Christ. That, IMHO, is the difference between doing one’s own will and doing the will of God.

Amen. I may be prejudiced, but Derrick's [Lynch, not Johnson -- that was a brain fluff if ever I've posted one] one of the finest pastors I've ever sat under. This is just an example of his excellent teaching.