The truth about Nelson Mandela

[Crabtownboy]

All of this was documented on another thread on this board and I asked you then if you were conceding the fact that Mandela was a high-ranking communist such as Bill O'Reilly stated or if you were disputing the sources. Needless to say, you did not give me the courtesy of a reply.

Show me a credible source of your information. I certainly do not consicder Bill O'Reilly a credible source. He is like Limbaugh, an entertainer. So, please show me a credible source.

And as I said his actions speak much louder than his critics opinions.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

C.T.Boy, you have yet to back up ANY claims you made in this thread....


http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=90196

You put up empty links, and sent people on a wild goose chase. Very disrespectful.

Perhaps if you set a better example people would be more willing to engage you.

Because you demanding information and demanding it come from a reliable source is extremely hypocritical on your part. Surely you are not saying there should be a different standard for you than everyone else ?

 

[Aaron]

So you saw he was an apartheid supporter. You saw that he has charges of immorality against him. You saw that he was charged with lying about charities he raised money for in Sudan and then diverted to his own organization in South Africa.

I don't know if any of these charges are true, and I hesitate to repeat them. I did see where he is referred to as:.-- Men of the Global South: A Reader, edited by Adam Jones, p 396.

Hammond is certainly anti muslim and anti gay, I probably agree with him more on political issues then I did Mandela. But there is no way you could call him an unbiased source of information.

Let's pretend, for just a moment, that the Marxist press isn't simply trying to demonize him.

Like you said, a fella does not have to be perfect to deserve some respect. Was he lying when he said what he said about Mandella?

 

[church mouse guy]

CBT, you have not shown any sources for your analysis of your opinion of Mandela's government. Go to the original thread and you will see the documentation there of the communist party membership held by Mandela--you do not even bother to deny that you have never dealt with this question to you before. The London newspapers have published activity on Mandela's authority status in the communist party. It is know what he did in Cuba and that was linked. Also, New American magazine published on the issue and so did WND and Farah.

I think that you do not wish to acknowledge the fact that Mandela was an active communist as you are unable to clear his name on the matter. I doubt if you have the information to refute what was published in the London newspapers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Communist-Party-after-decades-of-denial.html

The documentation has been before you for a couple of days as has the question of how you dealt with that documentation but you were incorrect to say that I posted without documentation because this is not the first thread on this matter.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

C.T.Boy, you have yet to back up ANY claims you made in this thread....


http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=90196

You put up empty links, and sent people on a wild goose chase. Very disrespectful.

Perhaps if you set a better example people would be more willing to engage you.

Because you demanding information and demanding it come from a reliable source is extremely hypocritical on your part. Surely you are not saying there should be a different standard for you than everyone else ?

So what else is new? As you and I proved a couple weeks ago, this is his methodology. he has no interest in truth, and believes in the theory of "The Big Lie." Unfortunately far too many gullible, stupid people buy into his narrative without checking to see if it will hold up to scrutiny, which it never will. Typical socialist.

 

[Zaac]

I have no sympathy for a murderer of innocent women and children who does not repent just because he accomplishes his goal. Jesus said give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars and unto God that which is His. He did not say to murder innocent people to become democratic. My hope is before Mr. Mandela died he came to repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

What is it with folks and the whole innocent people bit just because they are women and children? Women and children were killing our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Likewise there were women and children involved in apartheid in South Africa.

Did he raise up the people to do anything different than what the colonist did against an imperial England?

 

[Zaac]

Press? How about this liberal organ:

Baptist Press

"Southern Baptists joined diverse leaders worldwide who hailed the civil rights champion for his life's work against apartheid, economic injustice, AIDS and other ills.

Russell D. Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, noted the heroism of the leader who rose from 27 years of incarceration to become the first black South African president as well as a hallmark of freedom and a leader of worldwide acclaim.

"Nelson Mandela's heroism will outlast him throughout untold generations. Mandela will be remembered for standing up to a racist regime, for persevering under persecution, and for leading his country toward democracy,” Moore told Baptist Press. “Mandela's move from prison cell to president's office was a living parable of the power of freedom over apartheid. Even those who don't agree with all of Mandela's political or religious views ought to give thanks for the many good things that came from his life and work. As we remember Nelson Mandela, let's pray for a South Africa that experiences the freedom not only of the voting booth but also of widespread gospel reconciliation to God and to one another.""

I think people hold him in the same vein as they do Martin Luther King Jr. While not perfect, his actions did bring about the ending of apartheid in South Africa. And that wasa good thing.

 

[Crabtownboy]

CBT, you have not shown any sources for your analysis of your opinion of Mandela's government. Go to the original thread and you will see the documentation there of the communist party membership held by Mandela--you do not even bother to deny that you have never dealt with this question to you before. The London newspapers have published activity on Mandela's authority status in the communist party. It is know what he did in Cuba and that was linked. Also, New American magazine published on the issue and so did WND and Farah.

I think that you do not wish to acknowledge the fact that Mandela was an active communist as you are unable to clear his name on the matter. I doubt if you have the information to refute what was published in the London newspapers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Communist-Party-after-decades-of-denial.html

The documentation has been before you for a couple of days as has the question of how you dealt with that documentation but you were incorrect to say that I posted without documentation because this is not the first thread on this matter.

The opinion piece you cited gives no links to back it story up. So, it is no better than opinion on this board.

I never said that Mandela never associated with Communists. I did show where, I believe it was in Christianity Today, that he finally rejected Communism because of its atheist stance. Saying he was a Communist because he associated with them is like saying that FDR was a Communist because he did not oppose Mao in WW II, but helped them ... as well as the Nationalists or that Reagan was a Communist because he signed a treaty in 1987 with Gorbachev.

When you are in the kind of struggle that Mandela was in against the apartheid government you associate with anyone who will help you.

In 2000 when I was in China I met an elderly man who had been with Mao on the Long March. He said he joined the Communist army when he was quite young, not yet a teenager, as he was starving. His mother had already died of starvation. The Communist when they came through his village said they told him if he joined them they would feed and educate him. His words were, "When you are starving you do not care what their philosophy is." He did joint them. They did feed and educate him. In fact Zhou Enlai introduced him to the woman who became his wife.

He certainly never acted according to Communist philosophy after he became president. Doesn't that say something?

 

[church mouse guy]

The opinion piece you cited gives no links to back it story up. So, it is no better than opinion on this board.

I never said that Mandela never associated with Communists. I did show where, I believe it was in Christianity Today, that he finally rejected Communism because of its atheist stance. Saying he was a Communist because he associated with them is like saying that FDR was a Communist because he did not oppose Mao in WW II, but helped them ... as well as the Nationalists or that Reagan was a Communist because he signed a treaty in 1987 with Gorbachev.

When you are in the kind of struggle that Mandela was in against the apartheid government you associate with anyone who will help you.

In 2000 when I was in China I met an elderly man who had been with Mao on the Long March. He said he joined the Communist army when he was quite young, not yet a teenager, as he was starving. His mother had already died of starvation. The Communist when they came through his village said they told him if he joined them they would feed and educate him. His words were, "When you are starving you do not care what their philosophy is." He did joint them. They did feed and educate him. In fact Zhou Enlai introduced him to the woman who became his wife.

He certainly never acted according to Communist philosophy after he became president. Doesn't that say something?

Mandela was a regular member of the communist party. That is what the book discussed in the London newspaper is all about.

Why don't you give us some links to back up your assertion that Mandela was never a member of the communist party?

As a matter of fact, I do not hear ABC, CBS, or NBC saying that Mandela was not a high-ranking member of the communist party so you stand alone, CBT, in denying what seems to be factual.

But here are the remarks by Mandela upon receiving the Lenin Peace Prize:

http://www.mandela.gov.za/mandela_speeches/2002/021028_lenin.htm

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Let's pretend, for just a moment, that the Marxist press isn't simply trying to demonize him.

Like you said, a fella does not have to be perfect to deserve some respect. Was he lying when he said what he said about Mandella?

No I don't think he was lying and certainly I would disagree with Mandella on abortion and would agree with Hammond. I probably would agree with Hammond on more issues than I would agree with Mandela on. All I am saying is the two were enemies and you can't depend on either to be unbiased.

 

[Zaac]

In 1981, when apartheid was still in full force, President Ronald Reagan told CBS that he supported the South African government because it was "a country that has stood by us in every war we've ever fought; a country that, strategically, is essential to the free world in its production of minerals."

Mandela's prison years coincided with the final quarter-century of the Cold War, and that global battle largely defined the relationship between the U.S. and South Africa's white rulers.

U.S. presidents and South African apartheid leaders saw themselves as bulwarks against communism, and this trumped the issue of systematic racial discrimination in South Africa.

"For decades, American presidents backed apartheid in the name of anti-communism," noted commentator Peter Beinart. "In South Africa, it was the Soviet bloc — the same communist governments that were brutally repressing their own people — that helped the ANC fight apartheid."

Ronald Reagan supported the apartheid South African government.

Was this brought up during the days following his death?

So why is Communism viewed as being worse than racial discrimination?

 

[prophet]

Ronald Reagan supported the apartheid South African government.

Was this brought up during the days following his death?

So why is Communism viewed as being worse than racial discrimination?

But White Conservative Americans are actually Israel, since Great Britain went by the wayside.

 

[Zaac]

The media and the governments of the world have lied to the people about Nelson Mandela. Some are still old enough to remember the truth about him and others know it from first hand experience.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-was-a-radical-marxist/print/

I guess I just wonder what the purpose of such an article is? I don't recall conservative Christians speaking in such ways about Ronald Reagan possibly being a racist after he died. So why take this time of people attempting to honor Mandela to try and paint him as something negative based upon one encounter?

 

[poncho]

I'm sure the movie will be a big hit.

 

[saturneptune]

This thread makes absolutely no sense. I have never seen a thread on Nelson Mandela. Would not it have made more sense to discuss this person while he was alive or in power? Why bring up someone who is dead, never having talked about them before?

 

[Zaac]

This thread makes absolutely no sense. I have never seen a thread on Nelson Mandela. Would not it have made more sense to discuss this person while he was alive or in power? Why bring up someone who is dead, never having talked about them before?

Maybe that's why I found this an odd thread.:laugh: