How often do you sin?

[quantumfaith]

I often here various criticisms "around here", criticisms of things like "the roman road", "easy believism" etc. Criticisms of the like ignore the the inability of each of us to peer into the heart of someone else, which is only the privilege of God. It also demonstrates a shallow performance based relationship with God rather than one based on God's grace and mercy. Furthermore, it makes it a fair target for the challenge of "salvation by works", which by the way is the very same charge that many of "these" level against others.

So I ask, How many times in a given day do you sin?

A. 1 or less
B. 1-3
C. 3-5
D. 5-10
E. I need a calculator
F. I need to review the rules of scientific notation

 

[kyredneck]

Methinks you should go first QF! C'mon now, fess up, tell us what kind of sinner you are!

 

[padredurand]

I never sin. Oh, poo, that's a lie. Okay, once a day.
Dag-nab-it, I said poo in a non-Winnie context. Alright, twice a day.
Man! Dag-nab-it is an euphemism for @#$-$%^-&*(. Now I'm cursing!? THREE!
That makes me so angry I could just...... FOUR. :BangHead:

I'm going back to bed.

 

[quantumfaith]

I never sin. Oh, poo, that's a lie. Okay, once a day.
Dag-nab-it, I said poo in a non-Winnie context. Alright, twice a day.
Man! Dag-nab-it is an euphemism for @#$-$%^-&*(. Now I'm cursing!? THREE!
That makes me so angry I could just...... FOUR. :BangHead:

I'm going back to bed.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[quantumfaith]

Methinks you should go first QF! C'mon now, fess up, tell us what kind of sinner you are!

On most days (most likely all days) I would need a calculator. I already understand SN, so I would not need to review those rules.

Did that answer your question KY?

 

[kyredneck]

Aren't you going to vote?

I can't get up and walk out of this room without sinning, or at least that's the opinion I have of me.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I never sin. Oh, poo, that's a lie. Okay, once a day.
Dag-nab-it, I said poo in a non-Winnie context. Alright, twice a day.
Man! Dag-nab-it is an euphemism for @#$-$%^-&*(. Now I'm cursing!? THREE!
That makes me so angry I could just...... FOUR. :BangHead:

I'm going back to bed.

Thats swearing....LOL. you wouldn't of made it to the 3 rd grade in NJ. F'in Aaaaaaaaa! :laugh:

 

[Winman]

I often here various criticisms "around here", criticisms of things like "the roman road", "easy believism" etc. Criticisms of the like ignore the the inability of each of us to peer into the heart of someone else, which is only the privilege of God. It also demonstrates a shallow performance based relationship with God rather than one based on God's grace and mercy. Furthermore, it makes it a fair target for the challenge of "salvation by works", which by the way is the very same charge that many of "these" level against others.

So I ask, How many times in a given day do you sin?

A. 1 or less
B. 1-3
C. 3-5
D. 5-10
E. I need a calculator
F. I need to review the rules of scientific notation

This is a difficult question. I sometimes wonder if we aren't too critical of ourselves. I think we often confuse temptation for sin. For instance, we might see a beautiful woman and be attracted to her. A married man might think he sinned simply because he is attracted to her. But where is temptation then?

So, perhaps we are too critical of ourselves. If we look away, then that was temptation, and not a sin. But if we continue to look and begin to think lustful thoughts, now we have crossed over into sin.

The reason I say this, is because the Bible speaks of people who were very godly, such as John the Baptist's parents;

Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

According to the word of God, Zacharias and Elisabeth were very good people. It says they were righteous and walked in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Now, I don't think for one second they were sinless, but nevertheless, the word of God makes them seem awfully good.

So, it must be possible to live a "holy" life. Not perfect, but very good.

But we are so used to being critical of ourselves, we think we sin a hundred times a day (or more).

I don't think Zacharias and his wife were "supermen", they were ordinary folk.

I hope folks understand what I am trying to say.

Sometimes I think that the folks who believe they are very sinful aren't nearly as sinful as they think they are, and the folks who think they are very righteous are not nearly as good as they think they are. :laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Normally I want to bash peoples faces in and humiliate others. I swear....yes I still do & I likes the opposite sex which is an insult to my wife. Then I have my morning coffee.

 

[Thousand Hills]

I never sin. Oh, poo, that's a lie. Okay, once a day.
Dag-nab-it, I said poo in a non-Winnie context. Alright, twice a day.
Man! Dag-nab-it is an euphemism for @#$-$%^-&*(. Now I'm cursing!? THREE!
That makes me so angry I could just...... FOUR. :BangHead:

I'm going back to bed.

Why you lazy bum :sleep::sleep:, that's #5!!!!

 

[quantumfaith]

This is a difficult question. I sometimes wonder if we aren't too critical of ourselves. I think we often confuse temptation for sin. For instance, we might see a beautiful woman and be attracted to her. A married man might think he sinned simply because he is attracted to her. But where is temptation then?

So, perhaps we are too critical of ourselves. If we look away, then that was temptation, and not a sin. But if we continue to look and begin to think lustful thoughts, now we have crossed over into sin.

The reason I say this, is because the Bible speaks of people who were very godly, such as John the Baptist's parents;

Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

According to the word of God, Zacharias and Elisabeth were very good people. It says they were righteous and walked in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Now, I don't think for one second they were sinless, but nevertheless, the word of God makes them seem awfully good.

So, it must be possible to live a "holy" life. Not perfect, but very good.

But we are so used to being critical of ourselves, we think we sin a hundred times a day (or more).

I don't think Zacharias and his wife were "supermen", they were ordinary folk.

I hope folks understand what I am trying to say.

Sometimes I think that the folks who believe they are very sinful aren't nearly as sinful as they think they are, and the folks who think they are very righteous are not nearly as good as they think they are. :laugh:

I understand your sentiment here, my hypothesis though, is that some will make what you say into what they want to make it say, and provide a platform for pontificating.

 

[Thousand Hills]

I voted that I need a calculator. I' like this illustration of progressive sanctification taken from another board (I don't want to add plagiarism to the list :tonofbricks

Imagine your job is to clear a huge field of rocks. On day one you go into the field and you see a number of large boulders, and so you think to yourself, sure they are big, but they won't take long to move. However once the boulders are gone you notice the rocks. they are smaller then the boulders - but there are many more of them! Once they have gone you notice the stones, and the field is full of them, in fact it looks worse then it did at the beginning. So you labour hard to remove the stones, then you see the pebbles, and they are numberless and again you think the field looks worse then it did at the beginning.

That is progressive sanctification, first the big sins, the obvious ones! But every layer that is peeled away reveals another layer of sin, and because we are that much 'cleaner' that new layer looks worse then the last. Hence the old saint who has faithfully followed Christ considers himself a worse sinner (in some ways) at the end of his life, then he did at the beginning. Of course that is subjective, for those around him see Christ so clearly in him.

 

[quantumfaith]

I voted that I need a calculator. I' like this illustration of progressive sanctification taken from another board (I don't want to add plagiarism to the list :tonofbricks

Thousand Hills, is this sort of like the concept of "growing up" as a person, and more importantly as a believer?

 

[evenifigoalone]

I don't think I could count how many times.
Thank God that God is so merciful:godisgood:

 

[Thousand Hills]

Thousand Hills, is this sort of like the concept of "growing up" as a person, and more importantly as a believer?

Yeah, that's a way to say it. I once heard a radio pastor in a series about Lust telling the story of going to visit an 80 year old+ man in the hospital who was in his congregation, said that the TV was on in the room that the man would cover his eyes when a woman would come on that might have slightly revealing clothing. Even though he was definitely not in the position to ever act upon any impulses, he knew even at that age that his heart was deceitful.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I never sin. Oh, poo, that's a lie. Okay, once a day.
Dag-nab-it, I said poo in a non-Winnie context. Alright, twice a day.
Man! Dag-nab-it is an euphemism for @#$-$%^-&*(. Now I'm cursing!? THREE!
That makes me so angry I could just...... FOUR. :BangHead:

I'm going back to bed.

I laughed out loud! Literally! :laugh:

Imagine your job is to clear a huge field of rocks. On day one you go into the field and you see a number of large boulders, and so you think to yourself, sure they are big, but they won't take long to move. However once the boulders are gone you notice the rocks. they are smaller then the boulders - but there are many more of them! Once they have gone you notice the stones, and the field is full of them, in fact it looks worse then it did at the beginning. So you labour hard to remove the stones, then you see the pebbles, and they are numberless and again you think the field looks worse then it did at the beginning.

That is progressive sanctification, first the big sins, the obvious ones! But every layer that is peeled away reveals another layer of sin, and because we are that much 'cleaner' that new layer looks worse then the last. Hence the old saint who has faithfully followed Christ considers himself a worse sinner (in some ways) at the end of his life, then he did at the beginning. Of course that is subjective, for those around him see Christ so clearly in him.

This is a GREAT analogy! I like it!

Speaking for myself, I don't really want to quantify my sin. I'm afraid to. Suffice it to say that I struggle with my mouth, my mind, and my heart on a daily basis.

 

[Crabtownboy]

There is no way to know.
Why?

Because there are sins of;

commission [we may realize we have committed these sins.]
omission [and most likely we never know we committed these sins.]

 

[Zaac]

Quantum, I would venture that for the average person answers E and F would be appropriate. We often times sin and don't even realize or acknowledge that it is sin.

Makes me wonder what our tally would look like next to God's. :laugh:

If we could see HIS tally, it might help us to treat people who aren't just like us better. But then again, we've got His word and it hasn't helped us to do so...

 

[Iconoclast]

There is no way to know.
Why?

Because there are sins of;

commission [we may realize we have committed these sins.]
omission [and most likely we never know we committed these sins.]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::applause::thumbsup:


7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

[Zaac]

There is no way to know.
Why?

Because there are sins of;

commission [we may realize we have committed these sins.]
omission [and most likely we never know we committed these sins.]

What CTB said.:laugh: