Does one need to believe Jesus is God for salvation?

[evangelist-7]

Do you have a Scripture which declares spiritual truths are hidden from the born of God?

There are some spiritual truths in Scripture that God has "somewhat hidden" for various excellent reasons!
Enjoy ...
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=84761&highlight=hiding
.

 

[DHK]

There are some spiritual truths in Scripture that God has "somewhat hidden" for various excellent reasons!
Enjoy ...
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=84761&highlight=hiding
.

Jesus Christ never hid the fact that He was God. He demonstrated His deity while on earth. No one has any excuse to deny his deity, especially now that he has risen from the dead. If any denies the deity of Christ, then they are worshiping another Christ and therefore cannot be saved.

 

[steaver]

There are some spiritual truths in Scripture that God has "somewhat hidden" for various excellent reasons!
Enjoy ...
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=84761&highlight=hiding
.

The OP you directed me to is you quoting you. I did not ask you for "hidden" scriptures, according to you. I asked, Do you have any scripture which declares God hides spiritual truths from His spiritual children?

 

[evangelist-7]

Jesus Christ never hid the fact that He was God. He demonstrated His deity while on earth. No one has any excuse to deny his deity, especially now that he has risen from the dead. If any denies the deity of Christ, then they are worshiping another Christ and therefore cannot be saved.

The Jews knew that sorcerers, etc. did miracles.
Jesus never preached to those on the hillsides that He was God.
The only people He explained it to were His disciples ...
but not having the Spirit, they had no idea what He was talking about.
He confused the issue many times by saying such things as His Father was greater than He was.
etc.

What believer Joe "sees" in the Bible is not what believer Jim "sees".
Because some spiritual truths are "somewhat hidden".
IMO, pretty much all spiritual truth has to be revealed by the Lord.

Some (many?) true believers sitting in churches do not "see" that Jesus is God.
E.G. some only believe He is the Son of God.

Kindergarden kids miss a lot because they have not learned the meaning and value of words.
Which is critical to productive understanding and communication.
Due to 50+ years of deliberate dumbing-down of kids in the education system!
Sorry, but I wasn't part of that at all.
Welcome to the real world.
.

 

[steaver]

Kindergarden kids miss a lot because they have not learned the meaning and value of words.
Which is critical to productive understanding and communication.

.

Oh brother. I can't get you to understand the word Grace, or Gift!!

 

[DHK]

The Jews knew that sorcerers, etc. did miracles.
Jesus never preached to those on the hillsides that He was God.
The only people He explained it to were His disciples ...
but not having the Spirit, they had no idea what He was talking about.
He confused the issue many times by saying such things as His Father was greater than He was.
etc.

What believer Joe "sees" in the Bible is not what believer Jim "sees".
Because some spiritual truths are "somewhat hidden".
IMO, pretty much all spiritual truth has to be revealed by the Lord.

Some (many?) true believers sitting in churches do not "see" that Jesus is God.
E.G. some only believe He is the Son of God.

Kindergarden kids miss a lot because they have not learned the meaning and value of words.
Which is critical to productive understanding and communication.
Due to 50+ years of deliberate dumbing-down of kids in the education system!
Sorry, but I wasn't part of that at all.
Welcome to the real world.
.

Thanks for the welcome. But your world is not real at all; it is philosophical. All that you have given me are vain imaginations of the heart. Nothing more. There is nothing, not one ounce of what you have said, that is Biblical.

I trust in the Word.
Christ is God. Unless you believe that He is God, the Creator, the Second Person of the triune Godhead, you cannot be saved. If you do not know Christ then you cannot believe in Christ, can you? You must know who He is before you can be saved.

Can a man be saved by believing on the Islamic version of Jesus?
Obviously not! He must first believe that he is much more than a prophet; He is God Almighty far greater than Mohammed.

 

[saturneptune]

The reason I ask is because I know for a fact that …
there are “believers” in the churches who do NOT believe Jesus is God!

First, let me make this perfectly clear …
In the original Greek, there is no “he” after “I AM” in any of the following verses!

John 8:58-59
“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.
Then they took up stones to throw at Him”
The Jews understood that He was claiming to be “I AM”,
which is God’s name “forever” (see Exodus 3:14-15).

John 18:5-8
“Jesus said to them, “I AM” … Now when He said to them, “I AM”,
they drew back and fell to the ground … I have told you that I AM.”
God’s power, which knocked them to the ground, demonstrated to everyone
(even to you) that Jesus was “I AM” (i.e. God), and that He was saying so!

John 8:28 “When you lift up (crucify) the Son of Man, then (at the resurrection)
you will know that I AM, and that I do nothing of Myself …”
Jesus had NO power of His own because He was in a human body (plus other reasons).
One verse says God in Him did the works; another says the Holy Spirit did the miracles.

John 13:19
“Now I tell you before it (His betrayal) comes,
that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I AM.”

Now, we come to the point of the OP …
John 8:24
“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins;
for if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”

IMO, that Jesus is part of the Godhead is somewhat hidden in Scripture,
and needs to be revealed spiritually to a person.
However, this does NOT apply to those raised with blind faith to believe it.

So, if someone was saved and did not believe Jesus Christ is God, if that were possible, who would this person believe He is? Believing any other choice is something less than God, so something less than God is saving him and granting eternal life. Lets see, if Jesus is not God, what could He be? Oh I know, a SDA prophet.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, and what we're actually proving here is ...

The easy-believism verses (John 3:16, 5:24, etc.) are ONLY to catch the little fishes!
You've heard that before, right?

Unfortunately, to survive and prosper and go to Fish Heaven
... they need to SWIM (after being thrown back in)
... not just lie there and gulp, "I'm saved, praise God".

Is this order correct?
-- the little fishes are given God's free gift of grace-faith
-- the little fishes believe the simple gospel
-- the little fishes are regenerated (born-again)
-- the little fishes believe they have eternal life
-- the little fishes start guzzling milk

However, further revelation is required for salvation, which in our case here is:
believing that Jesus Christ is a Member of the Triune Godhead ... in short, Jesus is God.

But, there is more! ... which we won't talk about ... too many heart attacks around here already!

Welcome to the real world of Christianity, which is being led by God's Spirit and being taught by Him.
.

No OMNE can even call Jesus as their Lord, their God, apart from the Holy Spirit revealing that to them, so ALL saved by God will confess and know jesus is God!


Muslims call Him a great prophet, Hindus and new agers an avater of God, others a great teacher, NONE of that will save !

 

[evangelist-7]

No OMNE can even call Jesus as their Lord, their God,
apart from the Holy Spirit revealing that to them,
so ALL saved by God will confess and know jesus is God!
Muslims call Him a great prophet, Hindus and new agers an avater of God,
others a great teacher, NONE of that will save !

Well, you're the only one lately (except moi) who is making any sense!
And that means this forum is in deep deep trouble!

T'would be nice, if someone presented a Scripture
that disqualifies something I wrote in post #24.

And t'would be nice if Steaver and/or DHK understood plain simple English.
.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Only One Who is GOD INCARNATE can save mankind by His substitionary death for our sins. No mere creature, no matter how highly exalted, can reconcile man to God. If the 'Christ' in whom one has faith is any other than GOD INCARNATE, then that 'Christ' cannot save.

The only-begotten Son of God IS God (see John 1:1-14).

 

[evangelist-7]

Only One Who is GOD INCARNATE can save mankind by His substitionary death for our sins.
No mere creature, no matter how highly exalted, can reconcile man to God.
If the 'Christ' in whom one has faith is any other than GOD INCARNATE,
then that 'Christ' cannot save.

The only-begotten Son of God IS God (see John 1:1-14).

Yes, it is difficult to find fault with this ... but,
perhaps you might humor me by considering ...

A few years ago, I came to believe that ...

A sinless human being dying for our sins was more important in Father God's plan of redemption
... than God dying for our sins!
I.E. another man succeeded in over-riding the grievous error that Adam had committed.

... and that God dying for our sins was an extra bonus/blessing.
It was an extraordinary manifestation of His great love for mankind.

For those who did not appreciate the first might just appreciate the second.

I forget exactly, but perhaps Romans 5 is the best reference.
.

 

[Yeshua1]

Thanks for the welcome. But your world is not real at all; it is philosophical. All that you have given me are vain imaginations of the heart. Nothing more. There is nothing, not one ounce of what you have said, that is Biblical.

I trust in the Word.
Christ is God. Unless you believe that He is God, the Creator, the Second Person of the triune Godhead, you cannot be saved. If you do not know Christ then you cannot believe in Christ, can you? You must know who He is before you can be saved.

Can a man be saved by believing on the Islamic version of Jesus?
Obviously not! He must first believe that he is much more than a prophet; He is God Almighty far greater than Mohammed.

the Holy spirit enables the sinner to 'see" just who jesus is, for the sinner calling uopon his ane to be saved by him has the undestanding that He is the Lord Messiah, Son of God, risen Lord!

Lord in bible title for jesus as being God, and NONE can call Jesus that unless the Spirit allows them too, so there are no saved person seeing jesus one way, and others different way!

Seems that our friend was trying to say that unless one gets the "Baptism in holy Ghost", they stay in the dark spiritually, and only a "half Gospel!"