Featured "given" is inclusive of "draw" in John 6

LOL, Luke, the man who follows the superstitions of a medieval novice who lived 500 years ago, who followed the Gnostic and Manichaen heresies of Augustine who lived 1500 years ago accuses me of superstition. This is a man that believes that sin is transmitted through sexual lust.

Can we say HYPOCRITE anyone??

I got a big kick out of the man-eating gar story Luke, that must keep the kids out of the "crick" as you say down your way. :laugh:



Don't get too close little boy, that thing will bite your head clean off!

Don't interrupt a funeral procession Luke, the spirits don't like that. You don't want to hear the owl either my man, and stay away from his nest. Be careful that spider don't write your name.

 

Baloney, you believe the man MUST sin because that is his nature. That is compulsion. You won't say that, but that is the fact even if you deny it. You can't teach that a person MUST sin and not teach COMPULSION. But that is how nearly all Calvinists speak, out of both sides of their mouth. And Biblicist is no exception to this.

And Jesus said to "make the tree good and it's fruit good" showing man has control over how he acts.

Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Jesus didn't teach that man HAS to sin, Jesus taught that men have option, they can choose to be a good tree and bear good fruit, or else they can choose to be a corrupt tree and bear corrupt fruit.

Jesus did not teach Total Inability, Jesus taught that men have ABILITY.

Right, so the writer of Hebrews simply wasted his time talking about an impossibility.

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, and I will give you a good deal because you are such a discerning fellow. :laugh:

Wow, ten thousand words, and every bit of it is rubbish.

Like I said before, don't go into sales, you will starve.

 

9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.

10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Paul said this to a person who tried to turn many away from the truth.

 

You wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and introduced itself to you.

Gotta love how "holier than thou" Iconoclast thinks he is.

 

What is the truth about why you said this Icon?

 

Oh no, Iconoclast implied that I was lost and a servant of Satan (again)! How will I ever get to sleep tonight?

Here is how you identify someone working for Satan;

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

Do you really expect that even with substantive arguments presented on either side they would be swayed?

Their own bias obliges them in the concrete of intransigence.

At least when you present Scripture truth - it is the truth and doesn't rely upon adding words, and schemes that deny and distort what is Biblical.

 

You are confusing "substantive" with "verbose".

Hey, it works on some people.

 

Oh, silly me! I thought it might be a veiled accusation intended to have the same effect as questioning another member’s salvation which apparently ya’ll consider to be a reasonable way to reply in a debate.

No thanks, I usually wait for those who demonstrate they can reason beyond the Calvie glasses on the end of their noses and can come to logical conclusions about the scriptural interpretations they force fit one premise at a time.

Its more fun for me when my opponents are interested in drawing out the truths through principled reasoning and critical thinking skills rather than trying skip by (smokescreen) the issue as you just attempted to do with the post of your's above.

 

A million paragraphs about gar and you miss one critical point and that is.....

Winman does indeed understand this already. If you read his posts with any comprehension at all, you would realize that he understands that completely.

You spent several paragraphs insulting him, when the irony is:

It is YOU who doesn't understand how well Winman clearly understands the Calvinist position on this....
Winman's point (since you clearly don't understand it) is that it is BECAUSE they are constrained by their nature and will, and can't WANT to do anything else.

Win's point (which eludes you) is that compulsion is compulsion whether it is external (not Calvinism) or INTERNAL. <--(Calvinism). He simply knows you don't admit it to yourselves or anyone else.

Sheesh



They killed a lot of gar the same way in Louisiana and Mississippi and Florida too.

 

This is evil. ^^
I would say that you are better than this Icon.....
But you have proven time and again that you are not.

 

Folks....

It's not that we don't UNDERSTAND your Calvinists positions:

It's just that we think it's full of crap!!!

Hey, we understand the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation too:

We just think it's full of crap!!!

 

I raised one simple issue which you conveniently seem to have forgot/evaded. Thanks for the demonstration of how you can't/or won't follow the issue and proving my prior point.


And you want me to now chase your silly rabbits, again, no thanks.

Edit: BTW, I think it pretty obvious to the honest intelligent readers you tired to cover up and skip past the issue I raised.