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Don't go swinging your heretic sword so wildly. You really need to step back and examine what you are saying. W&H were not IFBers,but they certainly were Christians. Burgon and Spurgeon never called them heretics and unbelievers. But I know the latter better than the former. Spurgeon actually used the ERV in the Met. Tab. approvingly.

Pardon me if I doubt the authenticity of your quotes. I will verify in the next day or so.

 

He didn't reject the infallibility of Scripture, he rejected your questionable and unverified quotations.

 

Now hold your horses. The above isn't true.

Look at the following list of some textual critics throughout the last few centuries. They didn't deny the authority and inspiration of the Scripture. Among them were some rather fine orthodox men.

Brian Walton (1600-1661) who put together the monumental London Polyglot Bible. John Lightfoot (1602-1675) who helped Walton in the enterprize.

John Fell (1625-1686)
John Mill (1645-1707)
J.A. Bengel (1687-1752)
Daniel Mace (died in 1753)
J.J. Griesbach (1745-1812)
Karl Lachmann (1793-1851)
Tischendorf (1815-1874)
Tregelles (1813-1875)

And why would not the CT be able to do the same?

 

Psa 11:7
7 The spechis of the Lord ben chast spechis; siluer examynyd bi fier, preued fro erthe, purgid seuen fold.
8 Thou, Lord, schalt kepe vs; and thou schalt kepe vs fro this generacioun with outen ende.
(WYC)

 

Psa 12:6-7
6 The words of the LORD are pure words:as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
(WCV) Webster

Psa 12:6-7
6 The words of Jehovah are pure words, silver tried in the furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou, Jehovah, wilt keep them, thou wilt preserve them from this generation for ever.
(Darby)

Psa 12:6-7
6 The words of the Lord are pure words,
like silver refined in a furnace on the ground,
purified seven times.
7 You, O Lord, will keep them;
you will guard us from this generation forever.
(ESV)

Full circle.

 

Sorry, it was to be combined with the post that I followed it up with.

 

Where have you demonstrated that the textual criticism involved in the making of the twenty to thirty varying editions of the Textus Receptus is infallible or perfect?

I have not recommended the Critical Text, but you have failed to show that your criticism of it are based on use of consistent, just measures.

I can see the clear, obvious flaws in your inconsistent KJV-only reasoning that depends upon use of fallacies and upon use of inconsistent, uneven, unjust measures.

 

Psa 12:6-7
6 Le parole del Signore son parole pure, Argento affinato nel fornello di terra, Purgato per sette volte.
7 Tu, Signore, guarda coloro; Preservali da questa generazione in perpetuo.
(Ital_Diodati1649)

 

Do you?

Why didn't you answer your own question consistently using just measures?

What one specific edition of the Hebrew text available before 1611 is 100% perfect and is in perfect agreement with a line of Hebrew manuscripts?

What one specific edition of the Greek NT text available before 1611 is 100% perfect and is based on Greek manuscripts that match it 100%?

 

God is the final authority.

The proper greater authority and standard for the making and trying of all translations is the preserved Scriptures in the original languages as determined by the original language manuscript evidence according to use of consistent, just measures.

 

The only thing that I wish to add to the discussion on this thread is to remind its readers that just because a publication has the word "Bible" in its title does NOT necessarily mean that it should be considered as "inspired" by God.

EXAMPLE: The New World "Bible" that is put out by the Jehovah Witnesses is NOT by any stretch of one's imagination "inspired" by God!!

The Jehovah Witnesses are a CULT and absolutely deny the fact that Jesus Christ is God!!

When their so-called "Bible" comes to passages that plainly ascribe deity to Jesus Christ such as the beginning verses of John's Gospel, the NWT deceives its readers by inserting the indefinite article "a" into its text.

Thus, the NWT would read in John 1:1 something such as: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God [the Father], and the Word was a God."

Now I will admit that I am not a scholar of Biblical (Kione) Greek, but a former pastor of mine (who was a Greek scholar) told me that in the Biblical Greek there is no indefinite article ("a" in the English language).

That fact did not stop the translators of the NWT. All they did was to insert in their so-called "translation" a word that has no real counterpart in Biblical Greek!!

IOW, they INTENTIONALLY deceived anyone who would not know that Biblical Greek does not even have such a thing as an indefinite article in its vocabulary.

What I'm trying to point out that simply because a "religious" book has the word "Bible" in its title does not mean that one should consider it to be "God's preserved word."

 

Good question, Jordon.
Believing that God preserved his word in a collective assortment of documents does not mean that God doesn’t “use fallible men in preserving his word through translation”.

God uses people to preserve his written word – but he doesn’t usually “re-breathe” or “re-inspire” his words once they have been delivered (Jeremiah’s words seems to have been an exception).
Inspiration is a one-time act rather than a continuing process.

The method of God's preservation of his word is not clearly defined in scripture but like inspiration it flows from his character.
God says his words will not pass away.
Since God is eternal, so his words are eternal too.
Where and how preservation occurs is an unresolved issue.

I don’t need a letter-perfect word from God – what I have is sufficiently difficult for this present life. I know that when I see him, I will be like him, for I shall see him as he is (1 Jn 3)

In fact even if you claim to have a perfect version it still doesn’t prevent imperfect interpretations, as demonstrated by the grand variety of beliefs throughout Christendom.

Jordon, it’s interesting that despite differences, frailties, disagreements, and weaknesses, we share many of the same beliefs.
Our Lord Jesus is our uniting factor and worthy of our thanks and praise.

I’m learning this of late and I’d encourage you to as well; emphasize the demonstration of God’s grace in your life among others
If you do this one thing many of the annoying differences between others will lessen in importance.

Rob

 

John
Chapter 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

Why should anyone be asked to answer a question that you yourself appear unwilling to answer?

 

Put this way makes it sound like you are KJV-preferred, not KJV-only. Is this accurate?