Refusing Service II

[Aaron]

Continuing the thought from another post:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2093303&postcount=137

[Isa 3:9 NIV] . . . they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves . . .

Contrary to the false accusations of discrimination, what is being resisted is the parade of sodomy. That is the only way one who calls himself a homosexual can express himself as one. He parades his sodomy. That's what it means to "come out."

But far from resisting a person, what is being resisted is a behavior.

 

[Yeshua1]

Continuing the thought from another post:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2093303&postcount=137

[Isa 3:9 NIV] . . . they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves . . .

Contrary to the false accusations of discrimination, what is being resisted is the parade of sodomy. That is the only way one who calls himself a homosexual can express himself as one. He parades his sodomy. That's what it means to "come out."

But far from resisting a person, what is being resisted is a behavior.

we are told that we are judgemetal when we say that lifestyle is sinful, and will bring them judgement and destuction in this life, and also that if we refuse to assist them to get judgement by condoning that, we are not christ like?

I know that we ALL still have sin issues after saved, NONE have reached state of sinless perfection, yet why would we be bending over backwards to show those in this christian love, yet leave them thinking by many professing to be Chrsitian that its now OK, don't worry about it, God accepts that now as long as in Christ?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

But far from resisting a person, what is being resisted is a behavior.

Is it the behavior that requested the cake or the photos? Or was it the person?

 

[Yeshua1]

Is it the behavior that requested the cake or the photos? Or was it the person?

again, NONE ever said ok o not serve a gay person dinner, taking photos, printing resumes etc, but is sinful to partake of doing such at their wedding ceromony!

 

[Revmitchell]

Is it the behavior that requested the cake or the photos? Or was it the person?

If the person requested a product or service not related to their relationship such as a marriage there would be no issue here. But I am not going to perform a marriage between two people like this. In the same way others will not supply a cake or take photos of said marriage.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

If the person requested a product or service not related to their relationship such as a marriage there would be no issue here. But I am not going to perform a marriage between two people like this. In the same way others will not supply a cake or take photos of said marriage.

Please note that I have consistently separated the functions of the church from the functions of a business operating in the world, even those owned by Christians.

 

[Revmitchell]

Please note that I have consistently separated the functions of the church from the functions of a business operating in the world, even those owned by Christians.

Well you are welcome to do that but a Christian having to take photos is no different that a pastor having to perform the wedding. Both go against the Christians conscience. If we must do one then it is hypocritical to not insist to do the other.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please note that I have consistently separated the functions of the church from the functions of a business operating in the world, even those owned by Christians.

Regardless whether operating in a church, or in a business, SAME standards apply and are to be followed!

 

[InTheLight]

Refusing to Listen II

Might as well rename this thread Refusing to Listen II

 

[Yeshua1]

Might as well rename this thread Refusing to Listen II

Would you be partaking of a gay ceromony if asked to provide services such catering/photos/publishing for that?

if yes, would you do same for porno association, as we cannot judge others behaviours?

 

[Aaron]

Is it the behavior that requested the cake or the photos? Or was it the person?

What was the purpose of the cake or photos?

 

[Yeshua1]

What was the purpose of the cake or photos?

Tp celebrate the 'truth" that God was welcoming them as husband and husband, I guess!

 

[padredurand]

If the person requested a product or service not related to their relationship such as a marriage there would be no issue here. But I am not going to perform a marriage between two people like this. In the same way others will not supply a cake or take photos of said marriage.

Adulterers and fornicators either?

 

[Yeshua1]

Adulterers and fornicators either?

are you asking a pastor if he would marry adulterers, or carry on financial business with known fornicators then?-

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Well you are welcome to do that but a Christian having to take photos is no different that a pastor having to perform the wedding. Both go against the Christians conscience. If we must do one then it is hypocritical to not insist to do the other.

Paul told us to judge those in the church, and not the world, for what have we to do with the world?

1 Corinthians 5, NASB
9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler -- not even to eat with such a one.
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.​

In short, we are to judge those who attend our churches. We are free, under biblical guidelines, to exclude those (i.e., require submission to church discipline) who fail to heed biblical guidelines regarding sin, conflict, church bylaws and reasonable church practices. We have not standing from a biblical perspective to make a judgment about those outside our church.

And yet once again, I remind everyone, the "right to refuse service" laws cover any and all situations, provided the business owner doesn't specifically vocalize that exclusion as being based on arbitrary grounds such as race, color, creed, national origin, physical defect or affliction, or just because you don't like their lifestyle.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

What was the purpose of the cake or photos?

Whether you see it or not, that's beside the point. Their purpose is irrelevant. The intent of the heart is what is important. Now answer my question, if you can.

 

[Revmitchell]

Paul told us to judge those in the church, and not the world, for what have we to do with the world?

You are misapplying that passage. However, Paul also said not to be unequally yoked:

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?


The error you are making is to separate between a spiritual life and a secular life when you suggest that the pastor and the private Christian business owner are different in this aspect. They are not our lives are to be outside the church as they are inside the church.

 

[Yeshua1]

You are misapplying that passage. However, Paul also said not to be unequally yoked:

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?


The error you are making is to separate between a spiritual life and a secular life when you suggest that the pastor and the private Christian business owner are different in this aspect. They are not our lives are to be outside the church as they are inside the church.

Jesus said tio judge rightly, NOT to stop judging all together!

We must point out that society cannot survive if there is no solid standard to have judgement made by, and our law was based upon the chrsitian scriptures to great extent, so we were to govern and regulate behavior by Gods viewpoints!

Shall not kill/rape/murder/steal, and cannot condone/accept gay lifestyles as acceptable and not sexual perversions

NOT saying mistreat any gay person, nor refuse to give them jesus, nor set them apart as unable to be saved, but DO see that we cannot accept them doing all sorts of sexual acts without at least telling them of jesus, and warning them...

My Biggest concern is that they have pushed the gay agenda into Christianity, so many now buckling under that tidel wave of :you better accept us lifestyle and all"...

they want acceptance and love towards them with lifestyle also, but cannot do that!

many denominations have caved in, pastors have, and soon will be illegal for you to denounce and speak out against it!

satan has gotten many among professing christianity to do his propaganda for him!

 

[Revmitchell]

Well I do not have anything else to add to this subject. You all do as you will. God bless.

 

[Yeshua1]

Well I do not have anything else to add to this subject. You all do as you will. God bless.

Just surprised how we can be so split on this issue of tolerance as being also accepting of their lifestyles!