Featured Born or Fathered?

Again, my assertion that "fathered" appears to better translate the idea of John in several verses, was not mine, but belonged to one or more of the translation team of the NET. In every example where I suggested a change from born to fathered, out of..a Person of the Godhead is found next to the form of gennaw in the text. Seems straightforward to me.
My view that Calvinism is mistaken doctrine is irrelevant to the observation.

I appreciate that you do not see any change in the message of 1 John with this correction to traditional translation, but others, perhaps many others will.

 

We find "born anew (again) in four places in the NASB, John 3:3, 7, and 1 Peter 1:3, 23.

In John the word translated born is followed by "anothen" meaning either anew or from above. Because of the context, I believe "born anew" is John's message both in verse 3 and 7.

In 1 Peter, born anew seems less likely, and fathered from above more likely, especially at 1 Peter 1:23 which again mentions seed. Or reborn from above?

 

Sorry Yeshua1, but the word translated "begotten" actually means one kind, i.e. one of a kind. See the NET footnote.

 

Yeshua1, you can deny "one kind" means one of a kind. But Dr. Wallace and many other scholars agree with "one of a kind." Therefore John 3:16 does not contain the word "gennaw" which means born or fathered.

We find "born anew (again) in four places in the NASB, John 3:3, 7, and 1 Peter 1:3, 23. In John the word translated born is followed by "anothen" meaning either anew or from above. Because of the context, I believe "born anew" is John's message both in verse 3 and 7. In 1 Peter, born anew seems less likely, and fathered from above more likely, especially at 1 Peter 1:23 which again mentions seed. Or reborn from above?

 

Turning a bit, to the meaning of being "fathered by God, lets consider the difficult verse, 1 John 5:18. Here we find a verse that is translated a slew of very different ways, making it possible to object to any version we think is probably best.

1) Various translations have no one fathered (or born) of God sins, or Everyone fathered (or born) of God does not sin. But since either view says the same thing, this problem simply muddies the water.

2) Next, in the NASB, we get "He" who was born of God...." Here, if we look at the modern translations, we get three very different positions:

(1) He, or the One, or Jesus
(2) God
(3) the fallen human who has been born anew​

Apparently textual variants support (or can be claimed to support) each of this very different interpretations.

Our interest is in accepting that God (the Father or the Son) is doing the action, rather than claiming the born anew person keeps himself from the penalty of present and future sinful thoughts and deeds.

Thus, my understanding of 1 John 5:18 is "We know that no one fathered by God sins, but God keeps (protects) him, and evil does not touch (harm) him.

Bottom line, if we are fathered by God we have the Spirit of His Son sent into our hearts, and God protects us so that even if we think or do sinful things, it is just as if we had not sinned, for no one fathered by God "sins." Hence, when we are "fathered" we are "justified."

 

When someone is born into a family, they never are also adopted. They are heirs at birth.

"One of a kind" equals "unique."

"Eternally begotten" refers to the fact God the Father and God the Son are eternal persons of the Trinity. Jesus did not become God the Son when born of a women, He is God the Son now, and was God the Son before anything was created. Therefore "eternally begotten" actually refers to God the Son as "eternally existing" rather than the relationship having a beginning.

The KJV and others mistranslate monogenes (which means one of a kind) as only begotten. But that is the subject of another thread.

Mistaken and vague translations father mistaken and corrupt doctrine.

 

Yeshua1, I do not have any man-made credentials, but as a member of God's never adopted family, I am a member of the priesthood of believers.

If you really want credentials, and you don't, See Dr. Wallace.

If you deny you have been born into God's family, fine. But that view is unorthodox.

Again, God is all powerful and nothing could disallow God from causing us to be spiritually reborn from above, certainly not the will of Calvinist men.

Answer this question, what was God's message in Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5 and Hebrews 5:5?