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Angels and CoHabiting with Mankind?

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In addition to scriptural support already cited, I also believe there is strong circumstantial evidence for it. What evidence? Greek mythology: Zeus, Apollo, Hercules, and others; legends of "The Gods" and warriors always mighty and strong.
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"There were giants in the earth in those days ..."
As as already been pointed out, "giants" is a terrible translation. The word is a derivative of the Hebrew naphal which means "to fall upon." It is a term of uncertain meaning, but likely suggests the idea of strength and prowess. It is used in Numbers 13:33 of certain inhabitants of Canaan whom the Israelite spies encountered in their survey of the land. The context indicates that they and the Anak among them were merely "men of great stature" (v. 32). They were not the progeny of angels.
... and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
One, angels are spirits. Jesus points out, in proving Himself to be flesh after the Resurrection, " ... a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have" (Luke 24:39). It is obviously impossible for a being of flesh and being of spirit to make physical contact. The thought is ludicrous.
I believe people carried with them an oral tradition of the pre-flood world when they dispersed from Babel. I believe this oral tradition of actual events later became mythology in the telling and re-telling over centuries.
As the inspired word of God speaking to Moses, the accounts are only as inaccurate as our loss of knowledge regarding the meaning of some words used to described a long-extinct lineage of man makes them. There is nothing supernatural or magical about the Anak or their relatives, the Nephilim. They were men. Period.
 

beameup

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Like Scarlett O, I used to believe the sons of God meant the offspring of Seth. After some study, I really do believe angels and human women did co-habitate. II Peter 2:4-5 describes how the angels sinned and God destroyed the world with the flood as a result. Only Noah and his family were spared. The Bible tells us that Noah was perfect in "his generations." This is talking about his lineage and is completely different from "generation."

Look at Jude verses 6 and 7, where the angels that sinned are compared to Sodom and Gomorrha, for going after "strange flesh."
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

Some folks believe the "strange flesh" is homosexuality, but while it might include that, I think it really means angels going after human women.

I believe the word "seed" actually refers to DNA, and that in the near future, Satan will try to corrupt this seed. Daniel 2:43 seems to indicate this. The kings of the revived Roman empire (feet of iron and clay) will mingle themselves with the seed of men. Notice it says the SEED of men, not just "men."

Right now we have scientists making chimeras (half human, half animal hybrids.) They have also made artificial DNA and got a microbe to accept it as a "natural" genome. This very well may be something the anti-Christ will use to corrupt the seed of man.

Jude 6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation [oiketerion], he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

II Corinthians 5:2 - For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house [oiketerion] which is from heaven:

The glorified body is what we receive. The glorified body is what the angels that sinned gave up.
Could this mean that angels have DNA? I think so.

I might add that some feel that demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim.

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2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus],
and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; [released during the Great Tribulation?]
Revelation 9:2-3 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
 
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webdog

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1. I would like one person to show me anywhere in the Bible where a "son of God" is a demon or anything less than one in union with God.

2. Humans are a unique "kind", a one and only. Reproduction only occurs within each kind according to the Bible.

3. Why would a demon obey Gods institution of marriage?
 
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blackbird

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I will have to do some research, but I believe in the NT there is at least one statement, maybe more, that indicates that angels are genderless. Also I do not believe they are physical as we are physical.

I agree with CTB here---angels are not flesh and blood as humans are---for them to procreate with humans and produce offspring would require that the angels have the same DNA composition as humans, have the same required chromosomes and the same reproductive organs as humans

There are folks on the BB who would disagree with me and CTB---but the issue is not a hill I need to die on---although you won't be able to convince me that it is possible for angels and humans to have sexual relations and procreate

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blackbird

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1. I would like one person to show me anywhere in the Bible where a "son of God" is a demon or anything less than one in union with God.

2. Humans are a unique "kind", a one and only. Reproduction only occurs within each kind according to the Bible.

3. Why would a demon obey Gods institution of marriage?

And I agree with Webdog, also!!
 

abcgrad94

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The thing is, the Bible never says that angels are sexless. It does refer to the angels IN HEAVEN as not marrying or giving in marriage. Those angels that left their first estate are no longer "in heaven."

While angels are spiritual beings, they can and have taken on fleshly forms while on earth. Whenever that happened, they appeared as males. Remember when they came to Lot, they were as men. Same thing when they appeared to Abram and Daniel, Mary, etc. Abram even had food for them. Speaking of angels eating, manna is called the food of angels in scripture.

The idea of "strange flesh" is still around today with books like "Twilight" where human women are lured into romance with a non-human, or part-human, creature. There have been stories of secret experiments to make "super humans" for military purposes, and stories of "aliens" abducting people to study their reproductive aspects. So that brings the question, did Christ die for hybrids? If Satan can corrupt the seed of man, can man be saved? And how does all this play into the mark of the beast later on? Will those with the mark be marked genetically?

Is it just silly science fiction? Maybe, maybe not. It is certainly worth pondering.
 

DHK

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1. I would like one person to show me anywhere in the Bible where a "son of God" is a demon or anything less than one in union with God.

2. Humans are a unique "kind", a one and only. Reproduction only occurs within each kind according to the Bible.

3. Why would a demon obey Gods institution of marriage?
Why wouldn't a demon disobey God, or since when did demons start obeying God? That's a good one! :laugh:
I wish all the demons would obey God. What a peaceful world it would be.
While you are at it, tell the devil to obey God as well. That would be a neat trick. Does he obey you? j/k.

Both angels and demons take on bodies just like men.
Take angels for example.
Three "men" came to see Abraham. One of those "persons" was the Lord himself (a theophany) who stayed back and communed with Abraham. Abraham pleaded for the lives of his Lot and the other possible relatives that he would have in Sodom.

Meanwhile two angels proceeded to Sodom. They looked and acted just like men. The men of Sodom wanted to "sodomize" them. Why? They looked like men, and they couldn't tell the difference except that they were good men. They didn't know at that time that they were angels.
Lot could tell. Either the angels revealed themselves to Lot as such, or Lot had enough spiritual discernment to recognize them as angels. The latter is more likely.
As the men pounded on the door demanding these "virgin" men (as they would probably see it), eventually the angels used their supernatural power and blinded them.

They did have human bodies. How did they function? We are not told.
We know that in heaven there is no marriage. But that says nothing about "on earth."
If they had supernatural powers and bodies capable of procreation, then what kind of offspring would they have?

Good angels, of course, would not do that. But if the "sons of god" are evil angels with bodies capable of procreation, then the offspring would indeed be evil. It is immediately after that union, that the Lord says:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

This very sin brought on the Flood.
Adultery would not have brought such a judgment. Israel married the Moabites and there was a judgment but not a destruction of the world.

It is ridiculous to think that the descendants from Seth marrying the descendants from Cain would bring any judgment at all. Where is the evidence that this had not already happened years ago? We don't have all the genealogical records.
Besides, technically we are all of one race--the Adamic race. Even a distant relative from Cain could have turned to the Lord. The entire concept smacks of racism.
No, it was far greater than that. This involved evil of the worst sort--Satan himself. His demons in flesh intermarrying wicked women thus bringing the wrath of God.
...And there were giants in the earth--very wicked ones.
 

righteousdude2

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Me thinks....

Why wouldn't a demon disobey God, or since when did demons start obeying God? That's a good one! :laugh:
I wish all the demons would obey God. What a peaceful world it would be.
While you are at it, tell the devil to obey God as well. That would be a neat trick. Does he obey you? j/k.

Both angels and demons take on bodies just like men.
Take angels for example.
Three "men" came to see Abraham. One of those "persons" was the Lord himself (a theophany) who stayed back and communed with Abraham. Abraham pleaded for the lives of his Lot and the other possible relatives that he would have in Sodom.

Meanwhile two angels proceeded to Sodom. They looked and acted just like men. The men of Sodom wanted to "sodomize" them. Why? They looked like men, and they couldn't tell the difference except that they were good men. They didn't know at that time that they were angels.
Lot could tell. Either the angels revealed themselves to Lot as such, or Lot had enough spiritual discernment to recognize them as angels. The latter is more likely.
As the men pounded on the door demanding these "virgin" men (as they would probably see it), eventually the angels used their supernatural power and blinded them.

They did have human bodies. How did they function? We are not told.
We know that in heaven there is no marriage. But that says nothing about "on earth."
If they had supernatural powers and bodies capable of procreation, then what kind of offspring would they have?

Good angels, of course, would not do that. But if the "sons of god" are evil angels with bodies capable of procreation, then the offspring would indeed be evil. It is immediately after that union, that the Lord says:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

This very sin brought on the Flood.
Adultery would not have brought such a judgment. Israel married the Moabites and there was a judgment but not a destruction of the world.

It is ridiculous to think that the descendants from Seth marrying the descendants from Cain would bring any judgment at all. Where is the evidence that this had not already happened years ago? We don't have all the genealogical records.
Besides, technically we are all of one race--the Adamic race. Even a distant relative from Cain could have turned to the Lord. The entire concept smacks of racism.
No, it was far greater than that. This involved evil of the worst sort--Satan himself. His demons in flesh intermarrying wicked women thus bringing the wrath of God.
...And there were giants in the earth--very wicked ones.

You're on to something BIG! :laugh::laugh:
 

CarlandBeth

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I agree

Why wouldn't a demon disobey God, or since when did demons start obeying God? That's a good one! :laugh:
I wish all the demons would obey God. What a peaceful world it would be.
While you are at it, tell the devil to obey God as well. That would be a neat trick. Does he obey you? j/k.

Both angels and demons take on bodies just like men.
Take angels for example.
Three "men" came to see Abraham. One of those "persons" was the Lord himself (a theophany) who stayed back and communed with Abraham. Abraham pleaded for the lives of his Lot and the other possible relatives that he would have in Sodom.

Meanwhile two angels proceeded to Sodom. They looked and acted just like men. The men of Sodom wanted to "sodomize" them. Why? They looked like men, and they couldn't tell the difference except that they were good men. They didn't know at that time that they were angels.
Lot could tell. Either the angels revealed themselves to Lot as such, or Lot had enough spiritual discernment to recognize them as angels. The latter is more likely.
As the men pounded on the door demanding these "virgin" men (as they would probably see it), eventually the angels used their supernatural power and blinded them.

They did have human bodies. How did they function? We are not told.
We know that in heaven there is no marriage. But that says nothing about "on earth."
If they had supernatural powers and bodies capable of procreation, then what kind of offspring would they have?

Good angels, of course, would not do that. But if the "sons of god" are evil angels with bodies capable of procreation, then the offspring would indeed be evil. It is immediately after that union, that the Lord says:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

This very sin brought on the Flood.
Adultery would not have brought such a judgment. Israel married the Moabites and there was a judgment but not a destruction of the world.

It is ridiculous to think that the descendants from Seth marrying the descendants from Cain would bring any judgment at all. Where is the evidence that this had not already happened years ago? We don't have all the genealogical records.
Besides, technically we are all of one race--the Adamic race. Even a distant relative from Cain could have turned to the Lord. The entire concept smacks of racism.
No, it was far greater than that. This involved evil of the worst sort--Satan himself. His demons in flesh intermarrying wicked women thus bringing the wrath of God.
...And there were giants in the earth--very wicked ones.

Really good points here!
 

kyredneck

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1. I would like one person to show me anywhere in the Bible where a "son of God" is a demon or anything less than one in union with God......

And I agree with Webdog, also!!

Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them. Job 1:6

Again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah. Job 2:1

When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7

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Contrast with:

1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, namely, of Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 And the sons of Javan: Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 Of these were the isles of the nations divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
6 And the sons of Ham: Cush, and Mizraim, and Put, and Canaan.
7 And the sons of Cush: Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah: Sheba, and Dedan....etc, Gen 10
 
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Yeshua1

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Why wouldn't a demon disobey God, or since when did demons start obeying God? That's a good one! :laugh:
I wish all the demons would obey God. What a peaceful world it would be.
While you are at it, tell the devil to obey God as well. That would be a neat trick. Does he obey you? j/k.

Both angels and demons take on bodies just like men.
Take angels for example.
Three "men" came to see Abraham. One of those "persons" was the Lord himself (a theophany) who stayed back and communed with Abraham. Abraham pleaded for the lives of his Lot and the other possible relatives that he would have in Sodom.

Meanwhile two angels proceeded to Sodom. They looked and acted just like men. The men of Sodom wanted to "sodomize" them. Why? They looked like men, and they couldn't tell the difference except that they were good men. They didn't know at that time that they were angels.
Lot could tell. Either the angels revealed themselves to Lot as such, or Lot had enough spiritual discernment to recognize them as angels. The latter is more likely.
As the men pounded on the door demanding these "virgin" men (as they would probably see it), eventually the angels used their supernatural power and blinded them.

They did have human bodies. How did they function? We are not told.
We know that in heaven there is no marriage. But that says nothing about "on earth."
If they had supernatural powers and bodies capable of procreation, then what kind of offspring would they have?

Good angels, of course, would not do that. But if the "sons of god" are evil angels with bodies capable of procreation, then the offspring would indeed be evil. It is immediately after that union, that the Lord says:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

This very sin brought on the Flood.
Adultery would not have brought such a judgment. Israel married the Moabites and there was a judgment but not a destruction of the world.

It is ridiculous to think that the descendants from Seth marrying the descendants from Cain would bring any judgment at all. Where is the evidence that this had not already happened years ago? We don't have all the genealogical records.
Besides, technically we are all of one race--the Adamic race. Even a distant relative from Cain could have turned to the Lord. The entire concept smacks of racism.
No, it was far greater than that. This involved evil of the worst sort--Satan himself. His demons in flesh intermarrying wicked women thus bringing the wrath of God.
...And there were giants in the earth--very wicked ones.

I would tend to agree with you here on how to view this entire issue, would also say that those angels probably needed to possess men bodies to get the required sperm to have offspring of women, but, and more importantly, no one has the definite answer here, and NOT something to divide upon!
 

KRJ

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My first thought was that your emocon was sarcastic and dismissive out of prideful arrogance. Some people do things like that out of an emotional need to be right and to win arguments. But it's also true that some people just get a little carried away with passion for what they are sure is the truth.

Since I don't know you I need to choose to believe you did that with a charitable spirt, that your true motivation is simply rightly dividing the word of truth, and that no personal pride on your part or disrespect for me as a person was involved.

But only you and God know for sure.
 
... simply rightly dividing the word of truth ...
Yes, as opposed to using unviable extrabiblical and false teachings such as referencing the Roman/Greek gods as "proof" of anything in God's word. Kind of like abcgrad did in her post.
The thing is, the Bible never says that angels are sexless.
They are never referred to as any "gender" but men, however. All genitive pronouns identifying them are masculine. So how would you propose they reproduce?
While angels are spiritual beings, they can and have taken on fleshly forms while on earth.
Can you provide evidence, please? God Himself had to be born of a woman in order to take on human flesh, and your statements suggests that angels have more power than God.
Whenever that happened, they appeared as males. Remember when they came to Lot, they were as men. Same thing when they appeared to Abram and Daniel, Mary, etc.
They appeared to be men. Nothing indicates they actually took on flesh. Certainly, they "ate" as you say, but that isn't proof they were fleshly in nature. The angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel and Daniel knew he was an angel, so it is evident he did not have a human form.
The idea of "strange flesh" is still around today with books like "Twilight" where human women are lured into romance with a non-human, or part-human, creature.
"Twilight" as evidence for "strange flesh"?? Really??? I've yet to see anyone answer Webdog's excellent post. DHK tried, but failed miserably, making the same mistakes you have made here. Perhaps you'd care to tackle it??
1. I would like one person to show me anywhere in the Bible where a "son of God" is a demon or anything less than one in union with God.

2. Humans are a unique "kind", a one and only. Reproduction only occurs within each kind according to the Bible.

3. Why would a demon obey Gods institution of marriage?
 
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percho

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I would tend to agree with you here on how to view this entire issue, would also say that those angels probably needed to possess men bodies to get the required sperm to have offspring of women, but, and more importantly, no one has the definite answer here, and NOT something to divide upon!

I will ask one more time. Was Jesus of Nazareth the offspring of Mary?

Was Jesus generated within the egg of Mary?


Yes or no will be fine or one can elaborate.
 

abcgrad94

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Nothing indicates they actually took on flesh. Certainly, they "ate" as you say, but that isn't proof they were fleshly in nature. The angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel and Daniel knew he was an angel, so it is evident he did not have a human form. I've yet to see anyone answer Webdog's excellent post. DHK tried, but failed miserably, making the same mistakes you have made here. Perhaps you'd care to tackle it??
DHK did a great job answering those questions.

Why do you say the angel that appeared to Daniel did not have a human form? Simply because Daniel recognized him to be an angel? In Daniel 9:21 the angel is called "the man Gabriel." Daniel recognized him in the form of a man, not a spirit or a ghost.
 

Yeshua1

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DHK did a great job answering those questions.

Why do you say the angel that appeared to Daniel did not have a human form? Simply because Daniel recognized him to be an angel? In Daniel 9:21 the angel is called "the man Gabriel." Daniel recognized him in the form of a man, not a spirit or a ghost.

Joshua thought that he saw a man, who announced Himself as being Commander of the army of the Lord!
 

Yeshua1

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I will ask one more time. Was Jesus of Nazareth the offspring of Mary?

Was Jesus generated within the egg of Mary?


Yes or no will be fine or one can elaborate.

The Holy Spirit united within Mary God the Son, with sinless humanity!
 

webdog

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Why wouldn't a demon disobey God, or since when did demons start obeying God? That's a good one! :laugh:
I wish all the demons would obey God. What a peaceful world it would be.
While you are at it, tell the devil to obey God as well. That would be a neat trick. Does he obey you? j/k.

Both angels and demons take on bodies just like men.
Take angels for example.
Three "men" came to see Abraham. One of those "persons" was the Lord himself (a theophany) who stayed back and communed with Abraham. Abraham pleaded for the lives of his Lot and the other possible relatives that he would have in Sodom.

Meanwhile two angels proceeded to Sodom. They looked and acted just like men. The men of Sodom wanted to "sodomize" them. Why? They looked like men, and they couldn't tell the difference except that they were good men. They didn't know at that time that they were angels.
Lot could tell. Either the angels revealed themselves to Lot as such, or Lot had enough spiritual discernment to recognize them as angels. The latter is more likely.
As the men pounded on the door demanding these "virgin" men (as they would probably see it), eventually the angels used their supernatural power and blinded them.

They did have human bodies. How did they function? We are not told.
We know that in heaven there is no marriage. But that says nothing about "on earth."
If they had supernatural powers and bodies capable of procreation, then what kind of offspring would they have?

Good angels, of course, would not do that. But if the "sons of god" are evil angels with bodies capable of procreation, then the offspring would indeed be evil. It is immediately after that union, that the Lord says:

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

This very sin brought on the Flood.
Adultery would not have brought such a judgment. Israel married the Moabites and there was a judgment but not a destruction of the world.

It is ridiculous to think that the descendants from Seth marrying the descendants from Cain would bring any judgment at all. Where is the evidence that this had not already happened years ago? We don't have all the genealogical records.
Besides, technically we are all of one race--the Adamic race. Even a distant relative from Cain could have turned to the Lord. The entire concept smacks of racism.
No, it was far greater than that. This involved evil of the worst sort--Satan himself. His demons in flesh intermarrying wicked women thus bringing the wrath of God.
...And there were giants in the earth--very wicked ones.
you didn't read what I said. I said why would a demon OBEY Gods institution of marriage? Like a demon wouldn't just rape a woman...he had to take her hand in marriage?!? Ridiculous.
 

webdog

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Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them. Job 1:6

Again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah. Job 2:1

When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7

[add]

Contrast with:

1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, namely, of Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 And the sons of Javan: Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 Of these were the isles of the nations divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
6 And the sons of Ham: Cush, and Mizraim, and Put, and Canaan.
7 And the sons of Cush: Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah: Sheba, and Dedan....etc, Gen 10
This clearly shows the separation between a demon and sons of God
 
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