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Thanks for pointing this out. The command to Noah and his offspring predated the Mosaic Law by hundreds of years, and we don't see this directive set aside in the NT when Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law.

Some more good points. The distinction needs to be maintained between the state's authority to execute the death penalty (temporally) and Christ dying to provide atonement and forgiveness of our sins (eternally). Just because there are those of us who point out this distinction and maintain the government still has the power to take the life of a murderer, this doesn't mean we are "watching with glee" when a murder is appropriately executed nor does it mean we don't pray for the reconciliation of his soul to God before his temporal demise.

 

If I understood this "answer" correctly (technically, it's a non-answer), then Zaac is volunteering to keep the unrepentent murderers in his home.

 

"What do you do with the unrepentant sinners in your home? In your church?"
Love, forgiveness, grace, over and over and over and over and over and over and over, it's the goodness of God that brings repentance, not punishment

 

The comparison FAILS because you make no distinction between the cause for the sentence of death.

If the government (the rulers) are the designated sword-bearers established by God, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrong-doer, then your comparison FAILS because you have yet to show how abortion is the government acting as the sword-bearer to bring punishment upon the onborn baby.

 

It's a nice answer, and one that I fully agree with -- until that unrepentent sinner is a pedophile, or a murderer.

Then what do we do with them? Still keep them in our house?

 

You keep unrepentant sinners in your home. Why shouldn't I?

 

You did not get that from scripture. It is only when repentance is made that grace can be given.

 

You do not fully agree with that Don. you have conditions, and God's love is unconditional. You think it won't work because you have a stronghold of the way the world works. We are not in that kingdom. Let the worlds governments deal out what they wish. We preach life, not death.

 

Man please. You don't get to dictate that taking a life isn't taking a life because of "the sentence". This stance is politically motivated. One thing that I've come to recognize on this board and throughout the evangelical church is that people will quickly forget the Cross when it comes to something that's politically motivated.

Pure foolishness. you now think you get to decide that the taking of a life is only the taking of a life if it's in the capacity of being an agent of wrath. That's YOUR restriction in order to make your point work.

The taking of a life is the taking of a life and you don't get to redefine what it is by coming up with your own politically motivated reasoning for why the government okaying the taking of the life of an unborn baby is any different from the government okaying the taking of the life of an adult.

Your attempt to undo the comparison fails miserably.

 

That's not an answer, it is an evasion. It does nothing to address the issues of God's justice, only His love. They are not mutually exclusive, as you seem to believe. His love doesn't cover over a multitude of sin relative to the temporal consequences -- only as to eternal life.

 

I'll echo what someone else said earlier. Yall will be okay with the government taking someone's life until the government gets to the point that it decides that the penalty for YOUR trespasses should be your life.

The Cross was capital punishment. And capital punishment at the hands of unrighteous men was just as sinful then as it is today.

REMEMBER THE CROSS!

 

Non-answer.

 

That didn't answer the question. Unless you're saying yes, keep the pedophiles and murderers in your house. Is that what you're saying?

 

:applause::applause::applause:

 

YOU don't get to dictate which scriptures you don't like.

That's Romans 13, not me. Which, by the way, was written by Paul, an apostle of God, AFTER Christ's work on the cross. Take it up with God.

I'm not attempting to "undo a comparison." You're attempting to force one.

The only point where the two compare is that it's the taking of a life. One is justified by scripture; the other is not.

 

"You did not get that from scripture. It is only when repentance is made that grace can be given."
It's absolutely script

God's goodness brings a man to repentance(and it does)
is the same as saying God's grace brings a man to repentance.

But you say man's repentance, brings on God's goodness

"Where sin increased, grace increased all the more"

does not say

"Where repentance of sin increased, grace increased all the more"

Man repents on his own, or he repents because of God's goodness

 

It was an answer. The Cross just isn't THE answer that folks who are bowing down to politics want to hear.

It's just easier to deal with things the way you want to instead of the way of Christ.

 

I see you skipped the passages I gave taking my post out of context and avoiding actual scripture of which you have none. Typical for charismatics.

 

What would Jesus do? He is in you.

Would Jesus's spirit be so strong in you that a change would occur in these sinners lives that are in your house??

Would you call that "the gospel in word and power"?

Are you confident enough that you would trust Jesus and Him alone to protect your loved ones?

Is the spirit in you or is that just something we need to say without the walk?

This would be a good time to weigh how deep our personal relationship with Jesus really is, the one we love to tell sinners that they need, but somehow we show a stronger personal relationship with Moses.

 

I like them All.:thumbs:

I took it up with God. And He says to tell you that it was a haphazard attempt to use Scripture to help you try to justify the unjustifiable.

Taking a life is taking a life and you don't get to amend what it is by limiting the taking of a life to what you think it should be.

Sure you are. You don't want taking a life by way of abortion to be the same thing as taking a life through capital punishment because of YOUR conditions.

All it does is highlight how hypocritically silly it is for yall to parade around complaining about the government and abortion but then turning around and cheering the government's right to take a life with capital punishment.

One is shown to be ALLOWED. It is not justified. It's just as sinful as is the taking of the life by abortion and THAT's what you want to ignore.