Absolutely! His 'uncovering' throughout The Book is multi-faceted with many titles that constitute a myriad of 'threads' within!
He is the grand theme of 'The Book'!
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Absolutely! His 'uncovering' throughout The Book is multi-faceted with many titles that constitute a myriad of 'threads' within!
He is the grand theme of 'The Book'!
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For every battle of a warrior [is] with rushing, and raiment rolled in blood, And it hath been for burning -- fuel of fire.For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace. To the increase of the princely power, And of peace, there is no end, On the throne of David, and on his kingdom, To establish it, and to support it, In judgment and in righteousness, Henceforth, even unto the age, The zeal of Jehovah of Hosts doth this. Isa. 9:5-7 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
The Lord has more than one title...He rules, reigns, interceeds....
The Lord has more than one title...He rules, reigns, interceeds....
Very true. The question is: Which of those ministries is he carrying out at the present time?
It doesn't need to be harmonized because it isn't in conflict. You can't harmonize what I have posted with your rediculous idea that Christ is not now reigning. You can't honestly deal with texts like Acts 2, Eph 1 or Phl 2.
You say he's exalted but then you deny it. You understand that exalted means he has been raised into authority? He has been given the kingdom, it is in a veiled form right now that is not yet fully disclosed and yes there are many who do not yet bow the knee to Christ, but that doesn't change the fact that He still reigns. Why do you think the Psalmist prophesied "rule in the midst of your enemies"?
Christ reigns over this earth right now. He is not present on the earth like he will be in the millennium, but he still reigns.
OK Good. You had me worried :smilewinkgrin:
You are right of course. I was simply pointing out that DHK can't say that Christ is only fulfilling one ministry right now, that of intercessor, and not his ministry of King.
If He were reigning on this earth, then Israel would not be currently fighting for its existence.
Surely you jest that Christ is now reigning with a rod of iron???????
OldRegular
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GOD REIGNS NOW.
The time will come when HE will dwell in the New Heavens and New Earth with the Church, the redeemed of all time, for whom Jesus Christ died at the hands of Israel and Rome.
Rome is no more. When Jesus Christ returns in power and great glory then there will no longer be what we call nations and that includes Israel. There will be a general resurrection of all the dead and the White Throne Judgment. Those in Adam or who died in Adam will be cast into the Lake of Fire with Satan. The redeemed, the Church, will dwell with God in the New Heavens and Earth as I state above.
The time will come when HE will dwell in the New Heavens and New Earth with the Church, the redeemed of all time, for whom Jesus Christ died at the hands of Israel and Rome.
Rome is no more. When Jesus Christ returns in power and great glory then there will no longer be what we call nations and that includes Israel. There will be a general resurrection of all the dead and the White Throne Judgment. Those in Adam or who died in Adam will be cast into the Lake of Fire with Satan. The redeemed, the Church, will dwell with God in the New Heavens and Earth as I state above.
"All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth."
So you say. There's not a doubt in my mind that's going to pan out exactly as He deems it.
No jest, I believe Him when He said His kingdom was not of this world and would not be visible to the eye. I believe it when we're told that we've come to a mount that might not be touched with the hand or seen with the eye or is in any way tangible to our bodily senses. You have a very carnal view of His kingdom.
Right....PERIOD!
Don't take Scripture out of context. This is Mat.28:18 and immediately following in vs. 19,20 is the Great Commission given to his disciples (and us), ending "and lo I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world."
The authority is given to them who will take the gospel to the ends of this earth, and the promise of his presence will be with them that do.
He will set up His Kingdom on this world. If not many promises and prophecies are negated. And the Scriptures will be found to be in error.
The Place of His Return
Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
The Mount of Olives shall be split in two when the feet of Jesus descend upon it. This has not happened yet, but it will. He WILL reign.
Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
--This is on THIS earth, not on a new earth, but THIS one.
He will judge the nations. He will beat their swords into plowshares. There will be no more war. He shall reign! But He is not reigning now.
What is happening now?
Christ is Lord!
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
--But note: Very few are subject to Him as Lord. That day is still future.
In the future all will be required to acknowledge Him as King and Lord.
It is a future event!
What about now?
Ephesians 2:2
the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
against principalities,
against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not.
2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Now: Satan is the god of this world. He is the one who is reigning on this earth.
Now we war against: principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places.
Christ is not reigning; Satan, the god of this world is reigning, and we are in a fierce battle against him.
Therefore we need to take upon ourselves spiritual weapons (Eph.6:10-18), and fight a spiritual battle (2Cor.10:3-5).
If Christ reigned no such battle would exist, but it does.
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Well said on all points for a Kentucky hillbilly, especially a refugee from Bloody Breathitt!
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After almost 10 years on this forum I have come to believe that no one can mutilate Scripture like a dispensationalist. I sometimes use the word splinter since Scofield wrote a book Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth or something similar.
How does having the truth in the Bible for us that God has permitted satan to have a limited degree of "His own way", and trhat God has purposed that he will not intervene in order to rights all wrongs until the second Coming mean that he lost being sovereign?
Either God directly determined all the evils and sins in this age, God forbid, or else he chose to allow satan some leash!
The problem here is how we define the actual term'ruling", as you would allow that to mean that jesus is in control, but satan still allowed to go around and do his thing to some degree, while we see jesus ruling in an absolute sense, rod of iron, ALL things done according to what he sees as the determined thing to do...
Example of this is that the Reformed see jesus ruling from heaven over a spiritual kingdom here, as satan is bound in the sense gospel is getting out, we hold that it refers to a time when satan is lietrally bound/confined, No more sickness/sinning/death etc...
It’s not taken out of text and nothing you’ve presented here negates the fact that “All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth”, not in the least. He reigns now.
Is there something about “The kingdom of heaven is at hand”, or, “There are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” that you can’t understand?
You dispies put a whoooole lot of stock in this mountain in Zech 14 literally being split into. This supposedly occurred during the days of John the Baptist:
3 The voice of one that crieth, Prepare ye in the wilderness the way of Jehovah; make level in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low; and the uneven shall be made level, and the rough places a plain:
5 and the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of Jehovah hath spoken it. Isa 40
It’s imagery, hyperbole, not literal. And He does reign, NOW.
What is happening now?..What about now?
Ephesians 2:2
the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
against principalities,
against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not.
2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Now: Satan is the god of this world. He is the one who is reigning on this earth.
Now we war against: principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places.
Christ is not reigning; Satan, the god of this world is reigning, and we are in a fierce battle against him.
Therefore we need to take upon ourselves spiritual weapons (Eph.6:10-18), and fight a spiritual battle (2Cor.10:3-5).
If Christ reigned no such battle would exist, but it does.
Wrong. He reigns NOW.
…Christ`s, at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet. 1 Cor 15:23-25
Is there something about “For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet” that you can’t understand?
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That Scripture alone should silence all dissent but it want. Dispensationalists, who crow they interpret Scripture literally, only do it at their convenience.
The context is the Great Commission. The authority is given to those carrying out the Great Commission. It is a statement of assurance to those who are going forth and preaching the gospel--they can go with the authority of Christ.
Nope! I understand it perfectly.
Let me explain it for you. Look carefully at the context here in Matthew:
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
--It is the last verse in Matthew 16. Now look at the first couple of verses in the very next chapter.
Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
--This is what Christ was referring to. They caught a glimpse of what the kingdom would be like right here. It was six days later; Christ was transfigured right before them.
It didn't. Search the records. Find it in history if you can. You can't.
Words have meaning. You simply dismiss the words of Scripture as nonsense. You ought to be ashamed.
When Christ reigns his reign will be visible. The very fact that we cannot see him is proof that he is not reigning.
I understand completely.
He must, and He will. The statement refers to a future event.
Satan is the god of this world--just one of the many scriptures you have failed to address.
Thus it is Satan who reigns on earth at this time, and not Christ. That should be fairly obvious to all. Why not answer the Scripture in the post that I made.
So are you saying here that you agree with God being truine, and that Jesus is all three in His offices of prophet/priest and king then?
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