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You are already acquainted with the dispensations. No one needs to repeat them to you. The only NT covenant that one needs to be concerned with is the one that happens at salvation. Christ, by the power of His Holy Spirit, comes and indwells the believer, when he comes to Christ by faith alone and accepts His gift of salvation.

Otherwise:
Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
--The covenants are given to Israel. They do not apply to us.

 

Otherwise:

You totally do not grasp the reality of the NT, that the gentiles are GRAFTED INTO the same covenant promises... it says it right here....

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

DHK ...your errors are overflowing

 

We get the same promises that God gave to Abraham concerning his son Isaac...which lineage Christ came from, from Judah. You can find this in Galatians 3, and Hebrews 7 and 11.


Then, we as gentiles, are grafted into the natural Olive Branch, which is Jesus Christ. This is found in Romans 11:24.

 

The system he follows forces him to blindly make statements that cannot make sense. :wavey:That is totally an indefensible position.:wavey:

 

It is not my error. You have really twisted the meaning of this scripture.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
--The "you" are the Ephesian believers. That is who he is writing to. The church at Ephesus was a church composed of both Gentile and Jewish believers. He is addressing the local church.

To them he writes:
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
--In the past, some of you were Gentiles, and some of you were Jews.

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
--At that time, both of you (Jew and Gentile) were without Christ. Even a Jew without Christ is a stranger from the commonwealth of Israel.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
--Both Jew and Gentile were in the same boat without Christ--separated from God.
Now that they are both in Christ, God has broken down the wall between them so that both Jew and Gentile are now one in Christ. There is to be no division in the church. We are all one in Christ.
He is writing to the believers in Ephesus.

Continue to read:
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
--Both unto God into one body.
That is, both groups (Jewish believers and Gentile believers) are reconciled to God in one body--the local church by the cross.

 

He has twisted scripture? You appear to be playing the game Twister whilst eating pretzels the way you twist them. You do much violence to them.

Correct. Now, how does this strengthen your position? The whole bible is concentrated on focusing upon His sheep. That's what it is all about. The marriage between the Lamb and His bride. This verse adds nothing to what you're posting, imo.....

Correct. The same could be said for the other churches at Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, et al. Again, the bible is addressed to us, and our relationship with our Bridegroom, Jesus Christ.

Again, this doesn't help your case one iota. Both sides of this debate agree with this.

Amen Brudder.

Amen Brudder again...

There's more to this than the local church, but that's another subject altogether. Christ came to fulfill the Law. He came under the Law, to redeem them that were under the Law. However, the Law is also written upon the hearts of the believer...Jer. 31, Hebrews 8 and 10. The Jews at the time of Christ, had profaned the altar with polluted bread...Malachi 1. They had turned the office of High Priest into a political office where they held it for so long, and then someone else took over. Christ came to correct this. They even sold/traded in the temple and Christ drove them out. These were the ones who fathers had been rescued from Egypt and Babylon. Yet in time, their fathers would also fall into idolatry. Not all of Israel is Israel, but the very small remnant is accounted as the seed of promise. This very small remnant constitutes the church, the body of Christ, the elect of God, the sheep, et al.

 

I see the "Dispensation of Grace" in Ephesians 3:1-6

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

And in Ephesians 2 we have "past" and "future" dispensations:
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Eph 2:7

(1)In other ages - time past
(2)But now - presently
(3)Ages to come - future

 

Uh oh. It looks like beameup has shifted from mid-Acts dispensationalism and imbibed Acts 28 dispensationalism.

 

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

 

What other Covenat are we under yet save for the new Covenant?

was it the superior one that superceded all of the prior ones, or what?

Hebrews made us to see that we are now under the far superior Covenant of grace, not the law, correct?

 

Spiritual bl essings granted to those who have been saved under thenew Covenant, yes, but not all of the physical promises were fulfilled to national isreal, as the BIG one yet to come is their reign under their messiah!

 

Isn't that Bullinger/Hyper dispy views?

That the only rel Epistles to us would be those of paul period?

 

Uh ... they're the same thing.

 

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
--You have agreed with me up to verse 15, that the former verses are speaking to the church at Ephesus. Is it not strange to you that suddenly Paul would go off on a tangent and suddenly talk to a different audience other than the church at Ephesus?
He does not! This is a letter directed to the church at Ephesus, the same people whom he calls together in Acts 20:17,
Acts 20:17 And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.
--Here he gives them further encouragement and instruction.
He is not talking to anyone but them.

Some of the truths you have said may be found in other Scripture, but they are not expressed here to the local church at Ephesus. Here he does not refer to Jeremiah 31 or to Malachi, etc. You are reading that into this passage. He is speaking of the unity of the believers of this church, and that is all. Don't twist the context and eisigete some of your doctrine from this passage. You can't do that. You are not rightly dividing the word of truth.