Featured Are musical styles amoral? Round 2.

Amen to that.

 

Romans 14 is about liberty in Jewish Customs of eating meat, music and meat are very different.

 

Music is does not communicate like a hammer does, music has a message by itself without words and communicates such. You're trying to compare apples to oranges, a hammer is not comparable to musical styles.

 

Yes music is used to convey a message, and it does so without words, don't believe me? go watch an old black and white movie, notice when they use different types of music to develop feelings of humor, sadness,etc... and all WITHOUT WORDS.

Rock Music and Ragtime were mainly a genre produced to promote carnality, the musical style itself was created and without the words it still sends a message of carnality, The original artists that pioneered these genres were using it for carnality and there's a reason why it fits so well with carnal wicked lyrics, because that's what the style was originally intended for, you cannot divorce the carnal message it sends with just the music, you can try and deny that the music itself sends a carnal message all you want, but that does change the reality that it does. The music itself elicit can elicit darker urges without the words. I use to do drugs, and I listened to music without words, but let me tell you the message was plain and clear, for example electronic dance music, sends a message of sex and drug highs. I find it quite interesting that you can hardly find a music with immoral lyrics played to a style like found in John Newtons Amazing Grace, yet Rock Music, and Ragtime is filled this, though not exclusively.

The bible says Can two walk together except they be agreed, Just because you slap John 3:16 on a bottle of alcohol, that does not change the nature of alcohol, Try putting John 3:16 on a bag of cocaine and then tell me that it's not carnal anymore.. yet you seem to think this works, you seem to ignore the fact that music has a nature WITHOUT the lyrics. Music manipulates emotions, there is certain types of music that cause feelings of sadness, fear, courage, and also LUST, this can all be done without words. Are you really going to sit here and try and tell me you REALLY believe music is amoral and neutral?

I don't care what all these people say on the Baptist Board and I don't care about all these arguments you come up with, you strain at gnats and swallow camels, repent of this wicked flesh feeding position you have on music, you people defend your music out of completely selfish desires, it's all about having your tastes and what pleases you, that's why people always get so defensive when it comes to music, I highly doubt you really care about listening to music that reflects the character of God and brings him glory when you sit here and try to defend the wicked idea that all music is amoral, it's all just an attempt for you to defend self pleasure. Let's be honest, if you really cared about the Lord, even if I was wrong about this music, you would still put it away for the sake of unity and not offending your brother, but CCM people don't do this, it's all about self and what YOU want, the fact that the CCM crowd gets so defensive and that they so mock and jeer at the conservatives on this side of the issue says a lot about the spirit they have. It's so clear as day that this is all about having the leeks and the onions of Egypt while trying to feel like your serving the Lord. It's all about worshiping the idols of this world under the pretense of it being done for Jesus.

This Philosophy makes me sick because I believe it is a horribly disgrace to the Lord Jesus Christ, My Savior and his holiness is not reflected by wicked Rock Music, Hip Hop and other genres of music that have come straight out of the pits of hell.

You can come up with fancy argument all you want, But deep down inside if you ponder your heart and pray in earnest asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you about this,search the scriptures, and do a study on the history and effects of music, I am convinced you will end up on my side of the argument.

If I offend you with this post, it means your convicted and need to repent.

 

if Scripture condemns Homosexuality, can we then choose to appeal to Romans 14 and say "Well I think it's ok for me, if you judge me you are being legalistic"

no you would say it's clearly defined in scripture that it is abomination.

it's the same with this issue,

Love not the world neither the things in the world, be not conformed to this world, if your a friend of the world than your at enmity with God.

Conformed means to pattern yourself after the world, yet that is exactly what CCM does, it sounds like the world, many of the artists even look like the world, in fact many of the CCM artists themselves admit that their musical inspirations are the world, we have a genre called CCM that is mainly the doing of a bunch of Christians (at least they claim to be) who are copying the world's music.

Tell me how that is not being conformed to this world, and tell me how that is being Holy and separate as God commands us in many places in the bible.

 

So if a Christian synthesizes cocaine and slaps a Jesus label on it with the intention of people taking it and getting excited at church, that makes it sanctified and good to use according to your logic? because the only thing that matters is the person making it right? the substance or nature of what they create doesn't matter right?

Or if a Christian makes pornography and holds up bible verses in the backround, that somehow sanctified it and makes it ok to worship God with?

The bible says they that worship God must worship him in Spirit and in Truth.

If I take say a a death metal song written about killing babies and glorifying sin and it has an angry sound to it, and I take out the lyrics, (which you can't even hear most of the time anyway) then by taking out the lyrics have I then removed the appeal to the sinful flesh? because that is the position you hold to...

or does it retain it's appeal to the flesh?

You and I both know the answer the question.

"They that worship God must worship him in Spirit and in truth"

You can't worship God in the sinful flesh, yet that's what happens with CCM, it's not God you're worshiping, it's the emotions of the flesh.