Top Ten: Myths about Evolution

[go2church]

Do youhold then that the Bible when speaking to spiritual issues os correct/thrustworthy, but while addressing historical events and science, not so much?

Okay, first I know it's a typo and all, but how hilarious is the phrase "correct/thrustworthy"?

Yes, correct on spiritual issues and also correct on historical issues according to the standard of the time. The ancients didn't view history in the same manner that we do today. Doesn't it make it wrong or in error. It makes it what it was, ancient history, recorded by ancient people with different historical standards than we have today. I'm not bothered by this in the least. It actually serves to reaffirm my belief in the trustworthiness of scripture and the doctrine of inspiration.

 

[go2church]

I believe in a Genesis literal creation in the Bible... You state that you understand it a different way and that is your interpretation. That is how you see it. 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first that no prophecy is of any private interpretation. 21: For prophecy came not of old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. I read the article by Lewis and would rather go with the literal words I read in my Bible inspired by the Lord. You want to speculate feel free but those who do the scripture covers them too. Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time you ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and have need of milk and not strong meat. 13: For everyone that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14: But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. I'm glad I understand the Lord and his literal creation. Now let go to Timothy and see what the Lord has to say there. Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoid profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: I guess Evolution fits that catagory. Now here is the kicker... 21: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Looks to me like you have erred... So why don't you trot off to the Land Of Narnia the allegory that Lewis' carnal mind created.

Appreciate the "kind" words. Does this mean no Christmas card this year?

 

[go2church]

Liberals often place greater limits on people of the past than need to be justify their denial of literal truths.

A different standard is not a limit. There was absolute brilliance in those ancients, just look at some of their architecture, truly remarkable.

 

[go2church]

Man am I glad we got control back of our seminaries.

Me too! Now we know were all the fundamentalists are:tongue3:

 

[InTheLight]

Okay, first I know it's a typo and all, but how hilarious is the phrase "correct/thrustworthy"?

Well, it is sharper than a two-edged sword.

Wait, is that allegorical, or literal?

Carry on...

 

[corndogggy]

It is doubtful any insects were on the ark, at least by commandment of God, insects could have very easily survived the flood.

I forget the exact number, but we're talking about around an entire year that the earth was flooded. All vegetation died. Think about it. Sorry, but no, all insects would not have survived in such a scenario.

 

[corndogggy]

GOD preserved on the Ark what HE wanted preserved on the Ark. That should be sufficient for all to understand. If you don't believe that GOD destroyed everything he did not want to keep alive by a worldwide flood then say so!

Isaiah 40:8. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Actually you don't understand at all. There are about a million and a half or so different species of animals right now. Multiply that by at least two, or 7 if they were "clean". Forget the 7 right now, we're talking about 3 million animals on the ark. Noah's ark was 450'x75' with three levels, basically 101,250 square feet total. Divide that by 3 million. You end up with 0.03375 square foot which is less than 5 square inches PER ANIMAL.

The only conclusion is to admit that even if the story of the ark was true, that only the different major "kinds" were stored on the ark then they later branched out and formed all these smaller groups, which is exactly what evolution is, and yes this is exactly the argument that most biblical scholars have.

 

[tyndale1946]

Appreciate the "kind" words. Does this mean no Christmas card this year?

Oh you will get a Christmas Card!... What is your Address in Narnia:smilewinkgrin:

 

[OldRegular]

Okay, first I know it's a typo and all, but how hilarious is the phrase "correct/thrustworthy"?

Yes, correct on spiritual issues and also correct on historical issues according to the standard of the time. The ancients didn't view history in the same manner that we do today. Doesn't it make it wrong or in error. It makes it what it was, ancient history, recorded by ancient people with different historical standards than we have today. I'm not bothered by this in the least. It actually serves to reaffirm my belief in the trustworthiness of scripture and the doctrine of inspiration.

It would be nice if you could present some bona fides that make you an expert on ancient historians.

 

[OldRegular]

They affirmed the traditional Jewish thinking of the day which wasn't strictly literally and certainly pre-scientific.

So one must assume you reject the Biblical record of the rebellion of Adam and Eve against GOD and all subsequent references to Adam and Eve and the fall.

 

[Revmitchell]

I forget the exact number, but we're talking about around an entire year that the earth was flooded. All vegetation died. Think about it. Sorry, but no, all insects would not have survived in such a scenario.

You don't have to be sorry. I do not care if you are wrong. I can tell you that your view is at great odds with many scholars.

 

[corndogggy]

You don't have to be sorry. I do not care if you are wrong. I can tell you that your view is at great odds with many scholars.

Why would God have them take aboard creatures able to survive even the Flood though?

What part of "everything died" do you guys not understand?

Genesis
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.


If it wasn't in the ark, it died. Period.

 

[go2church]

It would be nice if you could present some bona fides that make you an expert on ancient historians.

Not an expert. I am a reader and had to take Old Testament classes while taking classes from seminary. There is plenty out there to read on the subject, are you asking for recommendations?

 

[quantumfaith]

Genesis 1 tells us that GOD is Creator. If you don't believe it is literal truth it raises questions as to your belief that GOD is Creator!

OR, I try not too much to wade into these discussions, as I am confident and secure in both the God of Creation and evolution as a means of that creation. Although I could say more, I will "choose" not to do so. Believing that God is literal and he literally created is not contrary to acknowledging that evolution is a very real possibility as to HOW HE CREATED.

 

[OldRegular]

Is God somehow less God if evolution was the process used to establish Creation? I don't believe so. Whatever process was used, God was and is behind it.

So your concept of GOD is: If at first you don't succeed try, try again.

 

[OldRegular]

Not an expert. I am a reader and had to take Old Testament classes while taking classes from seminary. There is plenty out there to read on the subject, are you asking for recommendations?

So you read. That does not an expert make. Seminary has been the downfall of many a novice!

 

[OldRegular]

What part of "everything died" do you guys not understand?

Genesis
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.


If it wasn't in the ark, it died. Period.

Your zeal has led you astray. Read the passage again and read it slowly, especially verse 21 and 22. Well just read the entire passage, but slowly! Then rethink your last remark. Period!

 

[quantumfaith]

Originals were inspired and the original text were just what the Holy Spirit wanted them to be. No issues there. Oh, there is one - we don't have the originals, so you could legitimacy claim anything you wanted about them and no one could deny the possibility that you were correct. Makes the whole inerrant in the originals complete nonstarter.

Flood could have been worldwide, sure, also could have been a "local" event. I don't have a strong opinion about the extent of the Flood because I don't think the extent of the flood and the depth of the water is the reason for the account in the first place.

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I lean toward a local flood.

 

[go2church]

So one must assume you reject the Biblical record of the rebellion of Adam and Eve against GOD and all subsequent references to Adam and Eve and the fall.

No. There are several credible opinions other than a literal interpretation, though a literal interpretation isn't entirely out of the question. There could have been two historical people named Adam and Eve who sinned against God. No issues there. I lean toward Adam and Eve being representative of humanity rejecting God. When the Fall happened or who were the first to Fall is an interesting question if you're into such discussions. There can little doubt however to the reality of a Fall, the clear evidence is well documented throughout ancient and modern history. Salvation is not dependent on believing someone else sinned first, it begins with understanding that I am a sinner and will one day be held accountable for my sin.

It's not an unimportant question, the when or who of the Fall, it is more important that we understand we are indeed fallen, desperately in need of a Savior.

 

[quantumfaith]

Is God somehow less God if evolution was the process used to establish Creation? I don't believe so. Whatever process was used, God was and is behind it.

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