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NYC Policeman Not Indicted in Chokehold Death; Protests Called

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annsni

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Honestly, I really would love to know the evidence presented that caused this decision. The coroner concluded it was a homicide, the cop used an illegal choke hold to bring him down and it was all caught on camera. I'm shocked at the outcome and unless there is something huge we're missing, the grand jury got this wrong.
 
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annsni said:
Honestly, I really would love to know the evidence presented that caused this decision. The coroner concluded it was a homicide, the cop used an illegal choke hold to bring him down and it was all caught on camera. I'm shocked at the outcome and unless there is something huge we're missing, the grand jury got this wrong.
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I agree this seems VERY different from the situation that thug Michael Brown flammed. That said Obama wants to make it one size fits all speech. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-ga...e0c57eda&bcmt_s=u#mediacommentsugc_container=
 
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I'm starting to think it would be better to have police shootings automatically heard in a different region or bumped up to federal court rather than at the local/state level to minimize these kinds of conflicts of interest. I don't know. Maybe even a special prosecutor should always be used in police shootings for this precise reason.

I'm trying to view this from the perspective of the prosecutor. Even if the police really, really promised not to retaliate, I still can't see how it's not a conflict of interest. What if the officer is acquitted and remains on the force? Is the prosecutor going to be able to use that person as a witness? (I recognize there's technically no conflict between prosecuting someone and using them as a witness, but it's still an awkward situation). In addition, prosecutors and police are on the same team almost all the time. For example, if the police have evidence favorable to the defendant in their possession, the law considers it the same as the prosecution having it in their possession. They discuss investigative strategies, charging decisions, and work together regularly.

To me, having a prosecutor prosecute a police officer from the same jurisdiction is no different than having that prosecutor prosecute someone from their own office. It just seems...I don't know, like a flawed system?

Man, what a mess.
 
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annsni said:
Honestly, I really would love to know the evidence presented that caused this decision. The coroner concluded it was a homicide, the cop used an illegal choke hold to bring him down and it was all caught on camera. I'm shocked at the outcome and unless there is something huge we're missing, the grand jury got this wrong.
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I imagine that we will all be left guessing. I doubt much information will be forthcoming.
 
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I have not heard anything about this case until I heard he was acquitted.

So are the now critics saying this cop saw this guy, grab him by the neck and murdered him? Would that mean, the cop never demanded he surrendered ect?
 
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Salty said:
I have not heard anything about this case until I heard he was acquitted.

So are the now critics saying this cop saw this guy, grab him by the neck and murdered him? Would that mean, the cop never demanded he surrendered ect?
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From what I gathered the cop did ask him to surrender but took him down after in a chock hold and the guy died of a heat attack I think. If the cop did screw up that doesn't excuse the race monger like Obama,Holder,Al to make it a opportunity to bait.
 
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Jedi Knight said:
From what I gathered the cop did ask him to surrender but took him down after in a chock hold and the guy died of a heat attack I think. If the cop did screw up that doesn't excuse the race monger like Obama,Holder,Al to make it a opportunity to bait.
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It wasn't a heart attack. It was a homicide.
 
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He had a rear naked choke sunk in for quite a long time and apparently the repeated attempt to communicate that he couldn't breath went ignored by about six officers. Very depressing.
 
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He had a rear naked choke sunk in for quite a long time and apparently the repeated attempt to communicate that he couldn't breath went ignored by about six officers. Very depressing.
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Honestly, and I realize this it's somewhat beside the point, if the man couldn't breathe the officer wasn't trained enough to use the hold, illegal or not. That hold is supposed to be a blood choke when used for actual submission.
 
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Honestly, and I realize this it's somewhat beside the point, if the man couldn't breathe the officer wasn't trained enough to use the hold, illegal or not. That hold is supposed to be a blood choke when used for actual submission.
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Exactly, and even those trained enough to use it know that you are to immediately release the hold when the opponent submits due to the serious injury that can occur when held too long.
 
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Jedi Knight said:
Homicide would mean the cop meant to kill him? "Eric Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and roughly 350 pounds, died Thursday as police struggled to arrest him, according to the NYPD. Police said he appeared to suffer a heart attack." http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-cop-chokehold-death-loses-gun-badge/story?id=24634470 Question if the guy is resisting arrest "see video" what should cops do to subdue him?
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The article you linked and quoted was from when the incident occurred. But we know from the autopsy report it was not a heart attack. He died as a direct result of the actions of another individual's actions and it was not an accident. That means it was a homicide. It doesn't mean that the cop aimed to kill him.
 
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annsni said:
The article you linked and quoted was from when the incident occurred. But we know from the autopsy report it was not a heart attack. He died as a direct result of the actions of another individual's actions and it was not an accident. That means it was a homicide. It doesn't mean that the cop aimed to kill him.
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Thanks for clearing that up.:wavey:
 
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Thanks for clearing that up.:wavey:
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Anytime. :) Remember, I'm right here in NY near the city and our news comes out of NY so I hear it ALL. Unfortunately, now I get to hear more from Al Sharpton. UGH! I think I'll skip the news tonight.
 
Sapper Woody

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What is that....like to make them pass out?
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Yes. When used properly, there is no pressure on the wind pipe. Instead, the blood flow to the brain is cut off, causing the victim to pass out in mere seconds. If one tries to knock someone unconscious by shutting off their air supply, it can take over a minute. But with a proper blood choke it should take no more than ten seconds.
 
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