Youth Ministry; Man Created not Biblically Mandated

[T Alan]

Well you've learned your lesson. Don't go to MOVE or whatever they YEC their having. MOVE moved to Athens anyways. Too far for South Ga folks to drive anyways.

sho nuff!! sides , I 'm agin such things after some maturing, remember.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Who's Youth Ministry has the 'coolest' name; Facedown, Code Red, After Shock, Altered State, Clones of Christ?
Which Youth Group has the best light system, the best sound system?
Which Youth Group takes the coolest trips. (ain't touching that one)
Who's the Hippest Leader?
Who's got the hottest chicks?

If your party doesn't stay the best, biggest they are going down the street to the next group that does.

These teens that are "raised" on this type "experience" get a reality jolt when they Graduate and peep in the windows of the Church and see the Adults in Worship. It's nothing there used to. Where is the stage? Where are the smoke machines, Wheres the hunk on the Screaming Guitar and the Bass, It's all about the bass no treble..the drummer solos, The "disco" balls. Where's the Church were used to??

I'll tell you where it is Son, it's down the street at the Charismatic Pentecostal Church, Isle Jumping, slain in the spirit, barking like dogs,uncontrollable laughter, Toking the Spirit, Fire Tunnels, Channeling,
Grave Soaking/Sucking. The Pentecostal Church is Growing. On What?
Baptist Kids that were raised on the Party atmosphere.

Jesus Culture whose lead female singer traveled to Heaven and God took her and place her in the hole in his heart. Hillsong United's prosperity Gospel.. Passion with Gigglylow.

The Partys of the Baptist Churches are feeding this emergent heretical movement.

But, hey, if it reaches one kid it's worth it huh? NO a Thousand times NO. God doesn't need gimmicks to bring His to Christ. The Spirit is All Powerful.

In many instances they have no idea of holiness, why, cause there some in the church screaming LEGALISM LEGALISM LEGALISM. Just relax and enjoy the "Liberty in Christ" and leave those legalist to there laws and rules.

Wow. I have never seen a "named" youth group. Or...anything else you mentioned. Anywhere. Except charismatic/Pentecostal churches.

 

[InTheLight]

Wow. I have never seen a "named" youth group. Or...anything else you mentioned. Anywhere. Except charismatic/Pentecostal churches.

Neither have I. But I can't for the life of me think of a reason that naming your youth group would be objectionable. Why would anyone think that wrong?

I don't go to Pentecostal churches so can't comment.

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[annsni]

(2) Worked with youth myself for about 5 years +/- in the church I was raised in. Two of the kids in my group were the Pastor's sons. They had free access to a computer, MTV and the premium movie channels were available in their house 24/7. What good did it do me to teach on purity, etc. when the message was not backed up in their household by the actions of their parents?

Honestly, how do you deal with a child who is from an unsaved family and the message that we give them is not backed up in their household by the actions of the parents? We STILL show them God's Word and challenge them to live a life that is in line with Scripture and not what they see in others around them.

So in addition to your youth groups, what are your churches doing to help strengthen bonds between the parents/children, how is your church equipping the parents? Do you have father/son camping retreats, mother/daughter events, etc.?

We absolutely need to be encouraging families and teaching our parents to be godly leaders in their homes. We have many father/daughter, mother/son, father/son, mother/daughter events through the year in addition to seminars, classes and special events to teach parents the Biblical concepts of parenting and to encourage the family together. I think the most recent thing was not at our church but we encouraged parents to go to a seminar with Gregg Harris on "Teaching Kids to do Hard Things". I heard it was excellent.

 

[annsni]

Which Youth Group has the best light system, the best sound system?

Ours has the best sound system!! My husband sold his Laser sailboat when he was 19 to buy the components to build a sound system for a Christian concert in the park and this thing was great. It is still being used in our youth room 35 years later and while the thing is huge, you can't beat the sound!!

These teens that are "raised" on this type "experience" get a reality jolt when they Graduate and peep in the windows of the Church and see the Adults in Worship. It's nothing there used to. Where is the stage? Where are the smoke machines, Wheres the hunk on the Screaming Guitar and the Bass, It's all about the bass no treble..the drummer solos, The "disco" balls. Where's the Church were used to??

But they should be in church on Sunday morning so the Sunday morning experience should never be a surprise.

Jesus Culture whose lead female singer traveled to Heaven and God took her and place her in the hole in his heart. Hillsong United's prosperity Gospel.. Passion with Gigglylow.

Our church had a discussion about this and while some of the Jesus Culture songs are very good, we've chosen to not use them due to their theology. We are currently deciding what to do with Hillsong's songs as well. I'm not sure what you have against Passion and Louie but I can tell you that he's the real thing. I'm happy to use the Passion stuff after working with them on the Passion Subway Series at our church which I think was 10 years ago. My husband is still in touch with them. I'll never forget how Louie was just about ready to go on to start the conference/concert when he turned around, called the band members over (Charlie Hall's band) and said that he wanted to stop and pray for my husband who was experiencing a lot of pain from a recently severely broken foot and a lot of complications). I can tell you that was a mighty prayer time.

 

[Salty]

Ann-
Alan has made up his mind - so lets not waste any more time confusing him with the facts.

 

[T Alan]

Ours has the best sound system!! My husband sold his Laser sailboat when he was 19 to buy the components to build a sound system for a Christian concert in the park and this thing was great. It is still being used in our youth room 35 years later and while the thing is huge, you can't beat the sound!!



But they should be in church on Sunday morning so the Sunday morning experience should never be a surprise.



Our church had a discussion about this and while some of the Jesus Culture songs are very good, we've chosen to not use them due to their theology. We are currently deciding what to do with Hillsong's songs as well. I'm not sure what you have against Passion and Louie but I can tell you that he's the real thing. I'm happy to use the Passion stuff after working with them on the Passion Subway Series at our church which I think was 10 years ago. My husband is still in touch with them. I'll never forget how Louie was just about ready to go on to start the conference/concert when he turned around, called the band members over (Charlie Hall's band) and said that he wanted to stop and pray for my husband who was experiencing a lot of pain from a recently severely broken foot and a lot of complications). I can tell you that was a mighty prayer time.

Ann, I am glad and encouraged by the decision your Church has made in ref to JC and Hillsong United. As for Louie,
Louie is too friendly with Charismatics for my liking. He has Joyce Meyers as a speaker at the Passion conf. Makes me SMH. Also promotes Jesus Culture and Hillsong. Heretics of a Feather you know. You should speak to him if you have opportunity.

 

[T Alan]

T Alan - you cannot throw a blanket over all youth ministries and claim them to be like the one you described in your rant.

Yes, there are some whackadoodle youth ministries.

There are also some whackadoodle preachers who preach and teach whackadoodle messages. There are also whackadoodle Sunday School teachers, music directors, evangelists, authors, bible forums members, and entire churches.

Our youth group is nothing like what you described. In fact, your lumping them all together as "unbiblical" is offensive.

Scarlett O', Could you please find and comment with a quote from the post you say I made with the "highlighted" portion of the above quote. I looked and couldn't find me saying "those" words. Thanks I'll respond after that is done.

Wow. I have never seen a "named" youth group. Or...anything else you mentioned. Anywhere. Except charismatic/Pentecostal churches.

Well, As I previously said, perhaps it just my area with Baptist doing it.

Neither have I. But I can't for the life of me think of a reason that naming your youth group would be objectionable. Why would anyone think that wrong?

I don't go to Pentecostal churches so can't comment.

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ITL, may I clarify, I didn't intend to imply that "naming" them was objectionable. I was pointing out that some of the names were a little "out there" ie "Clones of Christ"...

Ann-
Alan has made up his mind - so lets not waste any more time confusing him with the facts.

Please for the Love of God, push that button. You wear on my good will.

 

[Salty]

...Please for the Love of God, push that button...

I just did

 

[T Alan]

I just did

Thank you LORD, thou are my refuge and my shield.

 

[Thousand Hills]

Honestly, how do you deal with a child who is from an unsaved family and the message that we give them is not backed up in their household by the actions of the parents? We STILL show them God's Word and challenge them to live a life that is in line with Scripture and not what they see in others around them.

Ann, please re-read my post. This was the pastor's household.

 

[annsni]

Ann, please re-read my post. This was the pastor's household.

I understand that but in my opinion, it's no different. You deal with teaching the child the right thing regardless of how his family or friends deal with it. If it's Biblical, you teach it. The pastor's family who is not following the Bible is no different than the worldly family that is not following the Bible. But you asked how are you able to teach a child in that situation and I replied as such - no differently than any other family that is not doing right.

 

[SaggyWoman]

Due to the length of this thread in a non-debate forum, it has been closed.

Should you like to carry on a debate about youth ministry, please take the thread to an appropriate debate forum, but not this one.