Christian Universalism

[evangelist6589]

Don't think that this POV is the same as Unitarianism because they differ. I am reading a book by a author and chatting with him. He is quite confused and places psychobabble at the same level or a higher level than holy scripture which is his fatal mistake. I do not think one can be a Christian universalist and be saved. Anyone agree or disagree?

Scriptures bounce off this author as everything is filtered through his psychology. However the positive news is that he has agreed to read a David Jeremiah book (a non Calvinist) and Lord willing the HS will bring him conviction. This man hates Calvinists so I had to choose a non Cal and one of the best of that crowd.

I do not know how anyone can miss on the doctrine of Hell. I am reading Hell on Trial and the holy scripture just makes this doctrine so clear its like crystal. The doctrine is all over the OT and NT!

 

[InTheLight]

Is it possible for you to make a post that does not contain "Calvinist" "non-Cal" or "book I read" or "book I'm reading"?

As to your question. Anyone that has repented and placed their faith in Jesus Christ is saved. Really, you need to quit going around sniffing at people's doctrines and judging their salvation status.

 

[gigabyte71]

Here we go again... :BangHead:

 

[Revmitchell]

Here we go again... :BangHead:

What are you talking about?

 

[PreachTony]

Don't think that this POV is the same as Unitarianism because they differ. I am reading a book by a author and chatting with him. He is quite confused and places psychobabble at the same level or a higher level than holy scripture which is his fatal mistake. I do not think one can be a Christian universalist and be saved. Anyone agree or disagree?

Scriptures bounce off this author as everything is filtered through his psychology. However the positive news is that he has agreed to read a David Jeremiah book (a non Calvinist) and Lord willing the HS will bring him conviction. This man hates Calvinists so I had to choose a non Cal and one of the best of that crowd.

I do not know how anyone can miss on the doctrine of Hell. I am reading Hell on Trial and the holy scripture just makes this doctrine so clear its like crystal. The doctrine is all over the OT and NT!

So are non-Cals akin to second-class citizens in your eyes? You talk about us as if we are somehow not as high-minded and learned as your Calvinist brethren.

 

[evangelist6589]

I will ignore any and every post that does not deal with Universalism.

 

[blessedwife318]

Scriptures bounce off this author as everything is filtered through his psychology. However the positive news is that he has agreed to read a David Jeremiah book (a non Calvinist) and Lord willing the HS will bring him conviction.

So let me get this straight he doesn't listen to scripture, which is God's word, living and active able to judge the thoughts of the heart, so your solution was to give him a fallible book written by a fallible man and expect the Holy Spirit to convict him based on another mans words.

The Gospel is the power of God for salvation, not a book written by man.

Also stop looking for fights that you are not equipped to fight. If you studied the Bible as much as you read all these books and engage in fights you would probably be better equipped for the fights you get into.

I'll sit back and wait for my bunny now

 

[PreachTony]

I will ignore any and every post that does not deal with Universalism.

Fine, we can do that (I just don't understand why you feel the need to cast Calvinism in a superior light when it wasn't necessary to raise up or tear down any point of view).

Christian Universalism, from what I can tell, is completely wrong. There is no scripture that I know of that supports the notion that all humanity and all fallen angels will one day be reconciled to God. If that is the case, then what is the purpose of evangelism?

What little, brief research I did reveal somestartlingly disgusting notions these folks might have about theology and eschatology. Some of them do not hold to a literal return of Christ, but rather that some people will be perfected and glorified and will serve as the body of Christ during a millennial-like period during which they will work to perfect the remainder of humanity. For some of the doctrines of these Universalists to be true, then they have to say the Bible is wrong.

Depending on the branch of Christian Universalism you are dealing with, you will find CUs that disagree with sola scriptura and Biblical inerrancy. Some deny the Trinity. Others deny the necessity of blood atonement, claiming God's Love is greater than the blood sacrifice.

One other thing...

I do not think one can be a Christian universalist and be saved.

Thank God you don't get to decide that. You really need to stop thinking along those lines, Evan. You don't get to decide who is saved and who isn't based on their chosen theology. Given your track record of running down non-Cals, I'm surprised you don't support Calvinism as a requisite for salvation. But, at the end of the day, it is our Just and Loving Heavenly Father who decides who is saved, not you.

 

[Revmitchell]

Fine, we can do that (I just don't understand why you feel the need to cast Calvinism in a superior light when it wasn't necessary to raise up or tear down any point of view).

I don't really care for most of his posts, but I am not seeing that in the op. Can you show me what you are talking about?

 

[PreachTony]

I don't really care for most of his posts, but I am not seeing that in the op. Can you show me what you are talking about?

Rev - This might be a case of me reading into it more than is there, but it's something I've noticed from Evan. He'll make comments like this one:

However the positive news is that he has agreed to read a David Jeremiah book (a non Calvinist) and Lord willing the HS will bring him conviction. This man hates Calvinists so I had to choose a non Cal and one of the best of that crowd.

Nothing particularly wrong with it, but there seems a touch of condescension in Evan's writing, especially at the end. Well, if I have to choose a non-Calvinist, I may as well try to get the best of that group. What did the stance of the author have to do with Calvinism or non-Calvinism? As another comment pointed out, Evan tends to make posts that stress whatever author he's reading that week, and some sort of allusion to Calvinism, even though it is unnecessary.

Then again, as you pointed out in a very recent thread, we tend to apply our own preconceived ideas and labels to topics.

 

[Revmitchell]

Rev - This might be a case of me reading into it more than is there, but it's something I've noticed from Evan. He'll make comments like this one:

Nothing particularly wrong with it, but there seems a touch of condescension in Evan's writing, especially at the end. Well, if I have to choose a non-Calvinist, I may as well try to get the best of that group. What did the stance of the author have to do with Calvinism or non-Calvinism? As another comment pointed out, Evan tends to make posts that stress whatever author he's reading that week, and some sort of allusion to Calvinism, even though it is unnecessary.

Then again, as you pointed out in a very recent thread, we tend to apply our own preconceived ideas and labels to topics.

I see, you are most likely right. Arrogance cannot recognize itself.

 

[quantumfaith]

I will ignore any and every post that does not deal with Universalism.

 

[quantumfaith]

Fine, we can do that (I just don't understand why you feel the need to cast Calvinism in a superior light when it wasn't necessary to raise up or tear down any point of view).

Christian Universalism, from what I can tell, is completely wrong. There is no scripture that I know of that supports the notion that all humanity and all fallen angels will one day be reconciled to God. If that is the case, then what is the purpose of evangelism?

What little, brief research I did reveal somestartlingly disgusting notions these folks might have about theology and eschatology. Some of them do not hold to a literal return of Christ, but rather that some people will be perfected and glorified and will serve as the body of Christ during a millennial-like period during which they will work to perfect the remainder of humanity. For some of the doctrines of these Universalists to be true, then they have to say the Bible is wrong.

Depending on the branch of Christian Universalism you are dealing with, you will find CUs that disagree with sola scriptura and Biblical inerrancy. Some deny the Trinity. Others deny the necessity of blood atonement, claiming God's Love is greater than the blood sacrifice.

One other thing...

Thank God you don't get to decide that. You really need to stop thinking along those lines, Evan. You don't get to decide who is saved and who isn't based on their chosen theology. Given your track record of running down non-Cals, I'm surprised you don't support Calvinism as a requisite for salvation. But, at the end of the day, it is our Just and Loving Heavenly Father who decides who is saved, not you.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Revmitchell]

I do not blame him for ignoring any post not directly dealing with the op. That is appropriate.

 

[percho]

I am 72 and am not sure how I feel concerning the crux of the OP.

Consider for example.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:29

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; Gen 22:17

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt 7:13,14


I believe most Christians consider themselves to have joined an exclusive club, yet I ask; Which above is the greater number?

In another place the exceedingly astonished disciples asked, "Who then can be saved?" ----- and Jesus answered

With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible Matt 19:25,26

Are we saving ourselves or is God reconciling the world unto himself through Christ?

 

[evangelist6589]

I do not know who is and who is not saved. However Paul Washer has taught me well in determining false converts in one of his books that I own. Ray Comfort does a fine job as well. Both authors use much scripture and there is much scripture to defend being able to judge fruits. However in the end only God knows. But this author worries me. His view of sin, faith, repentance, and psychology are troubling. To him psychology seems to be the gospel.

I never once said that Cals are superior to non Cals. It's all About Jesus and ones faith in him so heaven will have both camps. However in my POV Calvinism is more superior as far as theological accuracy and why I am a Calvinist. Much error has come out of the Arminian camp.

 

[gigabyte71]

Can you please provide a clear and concise definition of what "Christian Universalism" is? More specifically, what the book you are reading says it is..

 

[quantumfaith]

I do not blame him for ignoring any post not directly dealing with the op. That is appropriate.

Kind of like this one too?

 

[OldRegular]

Don't think that this POV is the same as Unitarianism because they differ. I am reading a book by a author and chatting with him. He is quite confused and places psychobabble at the same level or a higher level than holy scripture which is his fatal mistake. I do not think one can be a Christian universalist and be saved. Anyone agree or disagree?

Scriptures bounce off this author as everything is filtered through his psychology. However the positive news is that he has agreed to read a David Jeremiah book (a non Calvinist) and Lord willing the HS will bring him conviction. This man hates Calvinists so I had to choose a non Cal and one of the best of that crowd.

I do not know how anyone can miss on the doctrine of Hell. I am reading Hell on Trial and the holy scripture just makes this doctrine so clear its like crystal. The doctrine is all over the OT and NT!

Never heard of Christian Universalism. Have heard of Unitarian Universalism! Difference?

 

[Revmitchell]

Kind of like this one too?

Yea that one as well. The difference is I support that and am not willing to mock him for it. How about you?