Pre-Trib-Dispensationalism and the Bible

[OldRegular]

What is the Scriptural Basis for:

1.The Rapture of the Church prior to a Great Seven Year Tribulation?

2. The doctrine that the Church, for which Jesus Christ died, is a "Parenthesis" or Intercalation in God's Program for Israel!

 

[JamesL]

What is the Scriptural Basis for:

1.The Rapture of the Church prior to a Great Seven Year Tribulation?

2. The doctrine that the Church, for which Jesus Christ died, is a "Parenthesis" or Intercalation in God's Program for Israel!

It's all right there in Evan 65:89

 

[OldRegular]

It's all right there in Evan 65:89

Ten long, long years I have waited for that.:godisgood: You have no idea how much I appreciate your gracious response.:love2: Generally I am greeted with stony silence!:tear:

 

[DHK]

Ten long, long years I have waited for that.:godisgood: You have no idea how much I appreciate your gracious response.:love2: Generally I am greeted with stony silence!:tear:

This is not a true statement. Search the archives. You will find plenty of threads on this subject. If you don't want to believe the evidence given then that is another thing altogether. But it is there. It is a simple matter of belief or unbelief.

 

[OldRegular]

This is not a true statement. Search the archives. You will find plenty of threads on this subject. If you don't want to believe the evidence given then that is another thing altogether. But it is there. It is a simple matter of belief or unbelief.

Yes dozens of threads but not a single answer from Scripture because it does not exist!

And in all honesty I must place the Word of God above that of John Nelson Darby, or C.I. Scofield, or Ironside, or Mackintosh, or Chafer, or Walvoord, or Ryrie, or DHK!

 

[DHK]

Yes dozens of threads but not a single answer from Scripture because it does not exist!

And in all honesty I must place the Word of God above that of John Nelson Darby, or C.I. Scofield, or Ironside, or Mackintosh, or Chafer, or Walvoord, or Ryrie, or DHK!

It is wrong to tell lies OR. People have presented Scripture to you over and over again. You simply reject it.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2166940&postcount=43

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2167030&postcount=47

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2143367&postcount=25

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2143485&postcount=38

 

[Revmitchell]

Ten long, long years I have waited for that.:godisgood: You have no idea how much I appreciate your gracious response.:love2: Generally I am greeted with stony silence!:tear:

You are greeted with silence because you are not being genuine. You poke fun, attack, and meet any and all attempts to have a conversation with you on this subject with disdain and smugness.

You do not want to discuss or debate you simply want to berate. No one wants to do that. In fact there is nothing sincere about this thread. It is nothing more than you mocking what you disagree with.

 

[OldRegular]

You are greeted with silence because you are not being genuine. You poke fun, attack, and meet any and all attempts to have a conversation with you on this subject with disdain and smugness.

You do not want to discuss or debate you simply want to berate. No one wants to do that. In fact there is nothing sincere about this thread. It is nothing more than you mocking what you disagree with.

It is not me who does the berating. It is you dispensationalists because you cannot present one verse of Scripture that teaches the pre-trib-rapture of the Church!

 

[OldRegular]

It is wrong to tell lies OR. People have presented Scripture to you over and over again. You simply reject it.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2166940&postcount=43

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2167030&postcount=47

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2143367&postcount=25

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2143485&postcount=38

Not one single thing in the above links presented Scripture showing a pre-trib-rapture of the Church.

It is wrong to tell lies DHK, particularly about Scripture. The following Scripture interpreted according to the supposed hermeneutic of the pre-trib-rapture-ready-dispensationalist clearly teaches a general resurrection and judgment yet you deny it.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Some way or the other you dispensationalist find a mythical 1007 years encapsulated in that "hour" in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth. I expect it is the same way some people find millions of years encapsulated in the six days of creation.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is not me who does the berating. It is you dispensationalists because you cannot present one verse of Scripture that teaches the pre-trib-rapture of the Church!

UH this thread is an example of what I am talking about.

 

[OldRegular]

UH this thread is an example of what I am talking about.

When are you going to answer the questions presented in the OP instead of sliming me?

 

[Iconoclast]

You are greeted with silence because you are not being genuine. You poke fun, attack, and meet any and all attempts to have a conversation with you on this subject with disdain and smugness.

You do not want to discuss or debate you simply want to berate. No one wants to do that. In fact there is nothing sincere about this thread. It is nothing more than you mocking what you disagree with.

and yet it looks like you're the one berating OR .....he just want you to give a verse or series of verses that you think teach this teaching

 

[DHK]

Not one single thing in the above links presented Scripture showing a pre-trib-rapture of the Church.

It is wrong to tell lies DHK, particularly about Scripture. The following Scripture interpreted according to the supposed hermeneutic of the pre-trib-rapture-ready-dispensationalist clearly teaches a general resurrection and judgment yet you deny it.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Some way or the other you dispensationalist find a mythical 1007 years encapsulated in that "hour" in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth. I expect it is the same way some people find millions of years encapsulated in the six days of creation.

You are not telling the truth.
In this thread:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...5&postcount=38

Evang. gives you some Scripture, and then a couple posts later he gives you some more.
This is what your reply is to all the Scripture that he gives:

Not a single word, that means not ONE word, in the above post proves a pre-trib rapture.

After dozens of Scripture references and a link to an entire paper that he himself wrote, you just dismissed everything. Now to say that no one has ever posted anything for you about the pre-trib rapture is a direct lie.
You just don't like the Scripture he posted and completely dismiss it because you allegorize it away like any typical amillennialist would do.
It is a denial of the existence of Israel.
It is a denial of the Coming Kingdom of Christ.
It is a denial of the literalness of Scripture.
On the latter point, it becomes questioning: Is this really what God said? A matter of doubt in God's word. At least that is what I believe. That is what happens in allegorizing and spiritualizing scripture. One does not take God at his word. He is making it say something it doesn't say.

 

[OldRegular]

Not one single thing in the above links presented Scripture showing a pre-trib-rapture of the Church.

It is wrong to tell lies DHK, particularly about Scripture. The following Scripture interpreted according to the supposed hermeneutic of the pre-trib-rapture-ready-dispensationalist clearly teaches a general resurrection and judgment yet you deny it.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Some way or the other you dispensationalist find a mythical 1007 years encapsulated in that "hour" in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth. I expect it is the same way some people find millions of years encapsulated in the six days of creation.

I post the above Scripture showing that pre-trib-rapture-ready-dispensationalism is false doctrine and what do you say:

You are not telling the truth.

You haven't the courage to address the passage I present because it destroys your Darby doctrine.

You are not telling the truth.
In this thread:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...5&postcount=38

Evang. gives you some Scripture, and then a couple posts later he gives you some more.
This is what your reply is to all the Scripture that he gives:

After dozens of Scripture references and a link to an entire paper that he himself wrote, you just dismissed everything. Now to say that no one has ever posted anything for you about the pre-trib rapture is a direct lie.
You just don't like the Scripture he posted and completely dismiss it because you allegorize it away like any typical amillennialist would do.
It is a denial of the existence of Israel.
It is a denial of the Coming Kingdom of Christ.
It is a denial of the literalness of Scripture.
On the latter point, it becomes questioning: Is this really what God said? A matter of doubt in God's word. At least that is what I believe. That is what happens in allegorizing and spiritualizing scripture. One does not take God at his word. He is making it say something it doesn't say.

I read Evan's paper. It was sophmoric pre-tribber nonsense.

You want to know what God really said then read John 5:28, 29. I post it again because it is the Word of God and God does not lie.

28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Try to allegorize John 5:28, 29 away. You cannot because it totally destroys the Darby-pre-trib-rapture-ready-dispensational-doctrine. So what do you do. you ignore it. Now you present a passage of Scripture that teaches a pre-trib-rapture of the Church as clearly as John 5:28, 29 teaches a general resurrection and judgment. You cannot because it does not exist!

 

[Revmitchell]

When are you going to answer the questions presented in the OP instead of sliming me?

This entire thread is about "sliming" anyone who disagrees with you. I have no idea how you think this is anything but that.

 

[Revmitchell]

and yet it looks like you're the one berating OR .....he just want you to give a verse or series of verses that you think teach this teaching

NO that is not what he"just wants". You guys have some gall. You post posts and start threads like this and then try to act like you don't even do it.