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Obama attacks Christianity

church mouse guy

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Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast attacked Christianity for the Crusades, slavery, and Jim Crow. I guess that let's his religion of Islam off the hook for the universal mutilation of Islamic women and their other barbaric crimes against humanity in the news today.
 

Revmitchell

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First the Crusades were a response to Islam trying to take over the world. Second, there is no one alive today that was involved in any of that. His point is moot.
 

InTheLight

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I guess we'll just take CMG's word for what Obama said at the prayer breakfast....
 

go2church

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While it's true those things happened, were done by people calling themselves Christians, it is also true that it was Christians influenced the end of crusades. It was Christians who pushed for the end of slavery and called out Jim Crow as evil.
 

Bro. Curtis

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It could also be said the crusades were in response to the violent spread of islam in Europe at the time.
 

matt wade

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He didn't attack Christianity. He pointed out that any faith can be perverted and twisted and used to justify evil. Quotes from the speech...sorry for the all caps.

"THE PROFOUND GOOD, THE STRENGTH, THE TENACITY, THE COMPASSION AND LOVE, THAT CAN FLOW FROM ALL OF OUR FAITHS, OPERATING ALONGSIDE OF THOSE WHO SEEK TO HIJACK RELIGION FOR THEIR OWN MURDEROUS ENDS."

"IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO ONE GROUP OR ONE RELIGION. THERE'S A TENDENCY IN US, A SIMPLE TENDENCY THAT CAN PERVERT AND DISTORT OUR FAITH."
 

church mouse guy

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He didn't attack Christianity. He pointed out that any faith can be perverted and twisted and used to justify evil. Quotes from the speech...sorry for the all caps.

"THE PROFOUND GOOD, THE STRENGTH, THE TENACITY, THE COMPASSION AND LOVE, THAT CAN FLOW FROM ALL OF OUR FAITHS, OPERATING ALONGSIDE OF THOSE WHO SEEK TO HIJACK RELIGION FOR THEIR OWN MURDEROUS ENDS."

"IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO ONE GROUP OR ONE RELIGION. THERE'S A TENDENCY IN US, A SIMPLE TENDENCY THAT CAN PERVERT AND DISTORT OUR FAITH."

What a lot of hogwash from Obama. He has no knowledge of theology whatsoever. He brings up the same old tired points of crusades, slavery, and Jim Crow. He has a long standing reputation for trying to score theological points against Christianity. He should never again be invited to a National Prayer Breakfast. He does better at secret meetings in the White House with Islamic groups.
 

matt wade

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This country would be a much better place if people were able to engage in logical, rational thinking, instead of emotional, hate filled rhetoric.

Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen because it appears the vast majority of Americans are complete idiots.
 

Use of Time

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This country would be a much better place if people were able to engage in logical, rational thinking, instead of emotional, hate filled rhetoric.

Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen because it appears the vast majority of Americans are complete idiots.

You have become one of my favorite posters in this place.
 

Zaac

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What a lot of hogwash from Obama. He has no knowledge of theology whatsoever. He brings up the same old tired points of crusades, slavery, and Jim Crow. He has a long standing reputation for trying to score theological points against Christianity. He should never again be invited to a National Prayer Breakfast. He does better at secret meetings in the White House with Islamic groups.

You got issues. Matt just tried to explain to you what the man DID say and you can't accept that because you need for him to attack Christianity to keep the far right narrative going.

Perhaps Obama understands how Christianity has been perverted because, like you're attempting to do, he sees it used all the time to justify political positions that, at their core, have nothing to do with Christ.
 

OldRegular

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He didn't attack Christianity. He pointed out that any faith can be perverted and twisted and used to justify evil. Quotes from the speech...sorry for the all caps.

"THE PROFOUND GOOD, THE STRENGTH, THE TENACITY, THE COMPASSION AND LOVE, THAT CAN FLOW FROM ALL OF OUR FAITHS, OPERATING ALONGSIDE OF THOSE WHO SEEK TO HIJACK RELIGION FOR THEIR OWN MURDEROUS ENDS."

"IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO ONE GROUP OR ONE RELIGION. THERE'S A TENDENCY IN US, A SIMPLE TENDENCY THAT CAN PERVERT AND DISTORT OUR FAITH."

AND THE REST OF THE STORY!

Obama at Prayer Event: Christians did terrible things, too

President Obama called on people of faith to reject those who use religion to justify evil – and in doing so – reminded people about the terrible things done in the name of Jesus Christ.

Obama told a gathering Thursday at the National Prayer Breakfast that we have seen “professions of faith used both as an instrument of great good but twisted in the name of evil.”

“From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith – their faith – profess to stand up for Islam but in fact are betraying it,” he said.

He did not mention radical Islam or jihadists or Islamic extremists. He did, however, call ISIS a “brutal, vicious death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism.”

The president also issued a word of warning to Christians.

“And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place – remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” the president said.

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He also chided the United States, “our home country.”

“Slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ,” he added.

Robert Jeffress, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas and the author of the upcoming book, “Countdown to the Apocalypse: Why ISIS and Ebola Are Only the Beginning,” said there are two problems with Obama’s comparison.

“When Christians act violently they are acting in opposition to the teachings of their founder, Jesus Christ,” Jeffress told me. “They cannot cite a single verse in the New Testament that calls for violence against unbelievers. On the other hand, radical Islamists can point to a number of verses in the Koran calling for Muslims to ‘crucify the infidels.’”

On Wednesday a United Nations watchdog group reported that Islamic militants were crucifying Iraqi children and burying them alive. Others had been sold as sex slaves and boys as young as 18 had been used as suicide bombers, Reuters reported.

“They are following the example of their founder Muhammad who slaughtered and beheaded those who opposed him,” Jeffress said.

While the Crusades were terrible, Jeffress pointed out they were a response to hundreds of years of Muslim aggression – an issue he writes about in his book.

As you might imagine – the president’s remarks did not go over well among conservatives. My friend Michelle Malkin put it nicely:

"ISIS chops off heads, incinerates hostages, kills gays, enslaves girls. Obama: Blame the Crusades," she tweeted.

I was puzzled by something else President Obama said: "We are summoned to push back against those who would distort our religion for their nihilistic ends."

What did he mean by “our religion”? Whose religion? And why did he compare the Crusades to ISIS?

The Crusades ended some 700 years ago. Perhaps the president should be a bit more concerned with the Islamic jihad being waged in this century.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/02/05/obama-at-prayer-event-christians-did-terrible-things-too/

Professing Christians did do terrible things but that was hundreds of years ago.

OBAMMA IS AN APOLOGIST FOR ISLAM AND THAT IS A FACT!
 

OldRegular

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And just to prove that Obama is an apologist for Islam I present the following from another thread!

Barack Obama, a Muslim's Useful Idiot
By George Neumayr

"The most beautiful sound in the world," according to Barack Obama, is the Islamic call to prayer. So it is no surprise that one of the ancillary events at the Democratic Party's convention in Charlotte will feature two hours of "Jumah" (Friday) prayers.

The Blaze reports that the Democratic National Committee has teamed up with radical Muslims to promote the event. The event's promotional video is less than reassuring, promising to call out "anti-Shariah" views.


Politics makes strange bedfellows, but a DNC that touts Sandra Fluke and Jumah organizers in the same breath strains that maxim to its breaking point. Were Sandra Fluke living in Saudi Arabia instead of Georgetown, she would be stoned to death.

So how does one explain this exceedingly odd and unholy alliance? The answer apparently lies in another old political maxim: the enemy of one's enemy is one's friend.

Sandra Fluke and Islam, in other words, share the same foe -- conservative Christians and Jews. It is safe to say that Muslims are not supporting Obama for his position on gay marriage and free contraceptives. But they do appreciate his hostility to Israel and America's Christian traditions. This stance gives Muslims confidence that in the socialist and secularist state to come under Obama a safe refuge will be carved out for them.

Islam is the one religion for which Obama feels real enthusiasm. His own nominal religion leaves him cold and critical. Does he believe in the tenets of Christianity or even understand them? "That's hard to tell," said the longtime pastor of his soul, Jeremiah Wright, to author Ed Klein in the book The Amateur.

Wright said that the Obamas chose his church for political, not religious, reasons, and that "church is not their thing." He also noted that Obama's religious knowledge upon meeting him consisted entirely of bits and pieces he had picked up from Islam.
Perhaps this explains Obama's baffling comment in April of this year about Jesus Christ not as the Son of God but as "a" Son of God. Who are the other sons? Obama didn't say. The remark indicated that he has a very foggy notion of the Trinity, bordering on the biological conception of it pushed by Muslims.

While Obama reveres the Koran -- he wouldn't dare subject it to politically correct revision -- he feels free to mock the Bible as offensive and retrograde. For example, he doesn't care for St. Paul's Letter to the Romans, once dismissing it as "obscure." (Obama evidently finds St. Paul homophobic.) Nor does he like the Book of Leviticus. And he says in The Audacity of Hope that he would have called the police on Abraham.

http://www.realclearreligion.org/art...ful_idiot.html
 

Revmitchell

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What he said was completely unnecessary


"...unless we get on our high horse blah, blah, blah"


We are not on our so called high horse. We are mad that children, women, in fact all kinds of people being slaughtered, sold into sex slavery and all kinds of atrocities. All being done by Islamic extremists.


And no you cannot divorce these actions from Islam.Period
 

matt wade

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AND THE REST OF THE STORY!



Professing Christians did do terrible things but that was hundreds of years ago.

OBAMMA IS AN APOLOGIST FOR ISLAM AND THAT IS A FACT!

Your article cut and paste does nothing but attempt to take quotes out of context.

Here's full context. Read and be enlightened (or not).

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/05/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast

Obama isn't a Christian in my book. Is he a Muslim? I don't know. He's a politician. He plays both sides of the fence.

You want to criticize his speech? Criticize that he said we all worship the same God. There's something to criticize! Here's the quote for that:

"And, first, we should start with some basic humility. I believe that the starting point of faith is some doubt -- not being so full of yourself and so confident that you are right and that God speaks only to us, and doesn't speak to others, that God only cares about us and doesn't care about others, that somehow we alone are in possession of the truth. "

If you want to criticize, do so justly, not with out of context quotes.
 
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