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Obama attacks Christianity

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matt wade

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righteousdude2 said:
Maybe OR is correct about where your head has been lately?:smilewinkgrin:
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I wonder where your head is that you would say Obama is more dangerous than Hitler. That statement is utterly stupid.

I wonder if those that lost loved one's in concentration camps would agree with your assessment?
 
InTheLight

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Purely technically, the President is correct--terrible deeds were done in the name of Christ in the Crusades and the Inquisition(s).

BUT THAT WAS 800 YEARS AGO!!

More terrible things are being done right now, this instant, in the name of Mohammed. And in this instant. And now. And now.

He missed a great opportunity to say something like:

"Christians realized many, many generations ago that abusing others in the name of Christ is contrary to the teaching of Jesus. It's time for Muslims to come to a similar realization that their religion does not call for the terrible things they are doing to people in the name of Mohammed."
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OldRegular

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matt wade said:
So, to be clear, you are disagreeing with OldRegular on this, right? OldRegular is the one that put forth the silly notion that Obama attacks Christianity with the military.
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Live and learn!

Pentagon May Move to Court-Martial Christian Soldiers Who Share Faith
1:00PM EDT 5/1/2013 KEN KLUKOWSKI

The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense. ... Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis."

The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.

From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians—including chaplains—sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of treason, and of committing an act of spiritual rape as serious a crime as sexual assault. He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are enemies of the Constitution.

Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.

So President Barack Obama's civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime—possibly resulting in imprisonment—for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)—whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction or comfort.

This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It's difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion.

In response to the Pentagon's plans, retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, who is now executive vice president of the Family Research Council (FRC), said on Fox & Friends this morning: "It's a matter of what do they mean by proselytizing. ... I think they've got their definitions a little confused. If you're talking about coercion that's one thing, but if you're talking about the free exercise of our faith as individual soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, especially for the chaplains, they I think the worst thing we can do is stop the ability for a soldier to be able to exercise his faith.

FRC has launched a petition in Washington, D.C., which has already collected over 30,000 signatures, calling on Secretary Hagel is stop working with Weinstein and his anti-Christian organization to develop military policy regarding religious faith.
http://www.charismanews.com/us/3931...rt-martial-christian-soldiers-who-share-faith
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OldRegular

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matt wade said:
So, to be clear, you are disagreeing with OldRegular on this, right? OldRegular is the one that put forth the silly notion that Obama attacks Christianity with the military.
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Live and learn!

Religious Groups Fear Christian Purge From Military

BY TODD STARNES, CP OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
May 1, 2013|9:26 am

Religious liberty groups have grave concerns after they learned the Pentagon is vetting its guide on religious tolerance with a group that compared Christian evangelism to "rape" and advocated that military personnel who proselytize should be court martialed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is calling on the Air Force to enforce a regulation that they believe calls for the court martial of any service member caught proselytizing.

President Mikey Weinstein and others from his organization met privately with Pentagon officials on April 23. He said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished – by the hundreds if necessary – to stave off what he called a "tidal wave of fundamentalists."

"Someone needs to be punished for this," Weinstein told Fox News. "Until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior."

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told Fox News he was stunned that the Pentagon would be taking counsel and advice from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

"Why would military leadership be meeting with one of the most rabid atheists in America to discuss religious freedom in the military," Perkins said. "That's like consulting with China on how to improve human rights."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/religious-groups-fear-christian-purge-from-military-95057/
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Don

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Our job is not to ask that God respond to our notion of truth -- our job is to be true to Him, His word, and His commandments....No God condones terror.
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Should this have been part of the president's speech?
 
Zaac

Zaac

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InTheLight said:
Purely technically, the President is correct--terrible deeds were done in the name of Christ in the Crusades and the Inquisition(s).

BUT THAT WAS 800 YEARS AGO!!

More terrible things are being done right now, this instant, in the name of Mohammed. And in this instant. And now. And now.

He missed a great opportunity to say something like:

"Christians realized many, many generations ago that abusing others in the name of Christ is contrary to the teaching of Jesus. It's time for Muslims to come to a similar realization that their religion does not call for the terrible things they are doing to people in the name of Mohammed."
[or something similar]
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Probably because he remembers how folks who called themselves "Christians" carried out the atrocities of the 20th century. Maybe he remembers the 60s and the era of Jim Crow. Maybe he remembers apartheid in South Africa. Maybe he remembers Westboro Baptist Church. Maybe he remembers the priest abuse scandals of the Catholic Church.

Perhaps he's gotten onto Baptist Board and seen what Southern Baptists say about him all in the name of Christ?

I don't believe that President Obama is a follower of Christ because everything that I've seen seems to point to a disdain for the way of Christ. Of course the same could be said for some people on this board.

Bottom line is that he was correct. A lot of things have been done in the "name of Christ" that didn't have anything to do with Christ. But that same dynamic is present in every religious faith.

I think his words should be a wake up call for the church that's filled with all these hateful people claiming to be doing things in the name of Christ.

Doing things in the name of Christ doesn't generate the type of bitterness and anger and vitriol that's coming out of the 21st century church over politics.

Perhaps he didn't say many generations ago, because the same sort of wrongs are being perpetrated today? He knows it and we certainly know it unless we are willfully ignoring Scripture.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:21-23

AS there were evildoers declaring such in the name of Christ before, they are also plentifully present in the current age.
 
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carpro

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InTheLight said:
He missed a great opportunity to say something like:

"Christians realized many, many generations ago that abusing others in the name of Christ is contrary to the teaching of Jesus. It's time for Muslims to come to a similar realization that their religion does not call for the terrible things they are doing to people in the name of Mohammed."
[or something similar]
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I believe the problem is that it really does call for the some of the awful things they do. :tonofbricks:
 
Zaac

Zaac

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carpro said:
I believe the problem is that it really does call for the some of the awful things they do. :tonofbricks:
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I think we have very short-termed memories in the United States. We're complaining about ISIL, and rightfully so, but let's not act as though the KKK wasn't lynching and burning up black people not too long ago in this country with little kids and women standing in watch. It happened.

And those same KKK members were running around burning crosses in people's yards. Lots of KKK members identify as Christian.
 
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OldRegular

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Zaac said:
I think we have very short-termed memories in the United States. We're complaining about ISIL, and rightfully so, but let's not act as though the KKK wasn't lynching and burning up black people not too long ago in this country with little kids and women standing in watch. It happened.

And those same KKK members were running around burning crosses in people's yards. Lots of KKK members identify as Christian.
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And the KKK was denounced by Christians and eventually eliminated. Islam is essentially silent about the terrorism! Apparently the Koran does call for the slaughter of infidels!
 
carpro

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Zaac said:
I think we have very short-termed memories in the United States. We're complaining about ISIL, and rightfully so, but let's not act as though the KKK wasn't lynching and burning up black people not too long ago in this country with little kids and women standing in watch. It happened.

And those same KKK members were running around burning crosses in people's yards. Lots of KKK members identify as Christian.
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So you're saying the actions of the KKK are condoned in the Christian Bible just as the murder of "infidels" by muslims is sanctioned in the quran. Right. Got it.
 
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matt wade

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Jedi Knight said:
Pastor Jeffress, who heads the First Baptist Church in Dallas, told Bill O'Reilly on his Fox News program. "Instead of focusing on ISIS burning people alive and burying kids, let's focus instead on these Christians and the terrible things that they have done." Nice interview!
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/barack-obama-muslims-christians-terror/2015/02/06/id/623355/
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Or you could actually read/listen to the speech Obama gave and know that he did call ISIS out and he wasn't focusing on Christians as a whole, but those that have done evil deeds in the name of Christianity (and other religions).

But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
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You could actually pay attention to the facts of the matter, instead you listen to talking heads that only give you half the story.

In fact, more time/words in his speech were given to condemning those that act in the name of Islam than talking about the evil deeds done under the guise of Christianity. But you go ahead and listen to the talking heads and follow like a good little sheep.
 
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OldRegular

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Obamma was simply showing his contempt for America and the people who elected him twice. He was rubbing their nose in IT! I believe Franklin Graham got it right!
 
Jedi Knight

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OldRegular said:
Obamma was simply showing his contempt for America and the people who elected him twice. He was rubbing their nose in IT! I believe Franklin Graham got it right!
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Scripture does not pull punches about those who have contempt for the righteous! Philippians 1:28 and in nothing frightened by the adversaries, which is for them a proof of destruction, but to you of salvation, and that from God.
 
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