Roman Catholic...Christian or Cult?

[Bro. James]

The world is filled with religion, most of it false. Nothing new-- ever since Cain changed the type of the sacrifice. Most religion is in vain, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If one's religion is based on a man or woman, that religion is in vain. Jesus, the Christ is the only foundation. Jesus' little flock, The Way, were called Christian first at Antioch. This was not a term of endearment. They were considered cultic by the Jews. Check out: the cult of Nimrod and his wife.

That which is in the Vatican can be traced to the 4th century, even back to Nimrod. By 325 A.D.,The Roman Emperor, Constantine, the Great One, had, in effect, married the church(Christian, so-called) to the state. The church part consisted of apostates from the previous centuries had left "The Faith once for all delivered to the Saints". This pervasive, pagan, religion of Rome tried to destroy the True Followers of Jesus, The Christ. These humble folk never bowed to the holy see. Many were murdered, refusing to baptize their infants. The doctrine of baptism does not seem to have much importance in our time.

The battle still rages: the anti-pedobaptists and the pedobaptists. Secular history is usually written by the victors not necessarily the righteous.

Who is on the Lord's side.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Reformed]

And you are missing my point......so again, there is no local community church in my area where I could join and do those things. So what do you want me to do, invent one?

I have to accept your word that there are no gospel preaching churches in your area. I am not sure what you mean by "your area". How far are you willing to travel to go to church? 5 miles? 10 miles? 20 miles? North Jersey is not that large.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have to accept your word that there are no gospel preaching churches in your area. I am not sure what you mean by "your area". How far are you willing to travel to go to church? 5 miles? 10 miles? 20 miles? North Jersey is not that large.

I'm in the western portion.....more towards the gap. Try if you like, I probably have had contact with them all. But you are depressing me, there is a Ukrainian Catholic church in my area that makes great East European food.....your messing with my pirogi supplier.:smilewinkgrin:

Btw....what do you consider community? 10-15-20 MINUTES??? And what do you consider church....well would you send your kids to it to get instruction? Do they go out to their community or do they huddle in like a club house? Are they practically dead or are they alive and vibrant? Do they recognize doctrine or shun it or are they apostate?

 

[matt wade]

I'm in the western portion.....more towards the gap. Try if you like, I probably have had contact with them all. But you are depressing me, there is a Ukrainian Catholic church in my area that makes great East European food.....your messing with my pirogi supplier.:smilewinkgrin:

Btw....what do you consider community? 10-15-20 MINUTES???

I know there are at least 4 BBFI churches in New Jersey. I can guarantee all of them preach the Gospel.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I know there are at least 4 BBFI churches in New Jersey. I can guarantee all of them preach the Gospel.

What's that BBFI and where are they? Will they make allowances for a 5P DoG.,Amil, partial preteorist?

UPDATE: Just called BBF HQ........nothin within one hour of me. Thanks anyway.

 

[matt wade]

What's that BBFI and where are they? Will they make allowances for a 5P DoG.,Amil, partial preteorist?

http://www.bbfi.org/new-jersey-state-fellowship

Don't know about allowances, but they preach the Gospel.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The world is filled with religion, most of it false. Nothing new-- ever since Cain changed the type of the sacrifice. Most religion is in vain, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If one's religion is based on a man or woman, that religion is in vain. Jesus, the Christ is the only foundation. Jesus' little flock, The Way, were called Christian first at Antioch. This was not a term of endearment. They were considered cultic by the Jews. Check out: the cult of Nimrod and his wife.

That which is in the Vatican can be traced to the 4th century, even back to Nimrod. By 325 A.D.,The Roman Emperor, Constantine, the Great One, had, in effect, married the church(Christian, so-called) to the state. The church part consisted of apostates from the previous centuries had left "The Faith once for all delivered to the Saints". This pervasive, pagan, religion of Rome tried to destroy the True Followers of Jesus, The Christ. These humble folk never bowed to the holy see. Many were murdered, refusing to baptize their infants. The doctrine of baptism does not seem to have much importance in our time.

The battle still rages: the anti-pedobaptists and the pedobaptists. Secular history is usually written by the victors not necessarily the righteous.

Who is on the Lord's side.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

I thought I was....according to these guys, I cant reach out and preach & teach the gospel without being monitored by them......the HS must have nothing to do with it. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Reformed]

I'm in the western portion.....more towards the gap. Try if you like, I probably have had contact with them all. But you are depressing me, there is a Ukrainian Catholic church in my area that makes great East European food.....your messing with my pirogi supplier.:smilewinkgrin:

Btw....what do you consider community? 10-15-20 MINUTES??? And what do you consider church....well would you send your kids to it to get instruction? Do they go out to their community or do they huddle in like a club house? Are they practically dead or are they alive and vibrant? Do they recognize doctrine or shun it or are they apostate?

I cannot go back and forth with you on this. You are making it way more complicated than it needs to be. Here I am, a Calvinist, telling you to find a local bible believing church, without it even having to be Calvinistic. Who cares at this point? The important thing is that you and your family need to be under the care of a local bible believing church. Sure. There may be things about it you do not like. Maybe they do not share your eschatological position. Maybe they do not teach the doctrines of grace. Maybe they are a bit more seeker sensitive than you may like. But if Christ is preached I would rather you and your family be there.

You may think I am being judgmental. You may think I am on my high horse or being ruled by my Reformed, Calvinist viewpoint. I am telling you these things out of Christian love. Nothing more. Unless we are providentially hindered we do not have the right to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I cannot go back and forth with you on this. You are making it way more complicated than it needs to be. Here I am, a Calvinist, telling you to find a local bible believing church, without it even having to be Calvinistic. Who cares at this point? The important thing is that you and your family need to be under the care of a local bible believing church. Sure. There may be things about it you do not like. Maybe they do not share your eschatological position. Maybe they do not teach the doctrines of grace. Maybe they are a bit more seeker sensitive than you may like. But if Christ is preached I would rather you and your family be there.

You may think I am being judgmental. You may think I am on my high horse or being ruled by my Reformed, Calvinist viewpoint. I am telling you these things out of Christian love. Nothing more. Unless we are providentially hindered we do not have the right to forsake the assembling of ourselves together.

Are you back pedeling now? You are the one who wants to find me a church so do so. I have already looked and couldn't find anything..... I will give you a hint, there is one in Montville but its way outa my way.......also one in Flemington. And that's an hour away. I want community--the ability to be there on Wednesday nights and the ability to go there Sunday evenings so long drives don't cut it. So get me something 15-20 minutes out. I haven't found one...at least not one that will accept me being a 5 point DoG.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

One more request.....that they actually feed you spiritually & that they also go out into the community to share the good news. I have zero interest in any so called church that doesn't do this.

 

[Reformed]

Are you back pedeling now? You are the one who wants to find me a church so do so. I have already looked and couldn't find anything..... I will give you a hint, there is one in Montville but its way outa my way.......also one in Flemington. And that's an hour away. I want community--the ability to be there on Wednesday nights and the ability to go there Sunday evenings so long drives don't cut it. So get me something 15-20 minutes out. I haven't found one...at least not one that will accept me being a 5 DoG.

I am not back peddling at all. I am saying that if you cannot find a church that meets your laundry lists of things, then you should find a church that at least preaches the Gospel.

As far as this community stuff and that fact you do no like long drives; yada, yada, yada...well, it seems like you want a convenience store church.

 

[Reformed]

One more request.....that they actually feed you spiritually & that they also go out into the community to share the good news. I have zero interest in any so called church that doesn't do this.

How about the color of the carpet and whether the church is King James Only (or not)? Do you want a Keurig machine in the lobby too? Come on, EWF. As one Jersey Boy to another: you are full of excuses.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How about the color of the carpet and whether the church is King James Only (or not)? Do you want a Keurig machine in the lobby too? Come on, EWF. As one Jersey Boy to another: you are full of excuses.

Cop out. And don't give me that Jersey Boy Malarkey.....I'm from the other side of 287........ not the Newark sewer hole area that creates toxic malformed life forms.

If my beliefs don't measure up to yours ......to bad. I will not raise my family in apostate churches but I will challenge myself to either find or create something decent for my family & the people of my community that deserve a solid church. I have to live here & to date I haven't cut and run for higher ground. BTW I'm happy meeting with sinners in their homes, in bars & in parks & in the street.....My coffee of choice is a Shop Rite Coupon buy of the week brewed in my dear wifes Bun Coffee Maker we bought at the Walschmart 6 years ago. The thing still works. So take your sarcasm & stick it in your pipe & smoke it.

 

[BobRyan]

Note: bold my addition - to clarify (assuming that is correct)

And how many of the Congress are practicing Roman Catholic?

Population of the US is 22% RC - Congress is 30% RC. Click here for link:

that is a good link - thanks1

 

[BobRyan]

Any restrictions on coffee or a beer?

I think this is where they excel - on some counts.

No restrictions on coffee, cigarettes, cigars, or beer and of course church-sanctioned gambling.

 

[BobRyan]

I think I can make my biggest impact with New Jersey Roman Catholics....think about it, they dominate (70%) of church go'ers. My pov in Bible studies could get them thinking differently.

New Jersey Catholics attend small group Bible studies??

Who could have guessed??

 

[Rebel]

AS to the OP, I would say heterodox Christian. But I would also say the same about Protestantism. However, I think the RCC is more heterodox.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

New Jersey Catholics attend small group Bible studies??

Who could have guessed??

You cant guess anything. In today's world they do indeed meet for bible study ( I have been to them). Of course its generally a member of the clergy who is the facilitator.

But its interesting....I find that its the older people who are starved of the knowledge who most attend the studies. My own aunt who was almost a nun in her younger years really began to bloom after years of Catholic dogma. She questioned a lot & ultimately had to reach out to other members of the family who broke away from Catholic for answers.....that opened up her mind quite a lot. today she is no longer a catholic....she is a biblicist. Tells ya something don't it?

 

[Walter]

You cant guess anything. In today's world they do indeed meet for bible study ( I have been to them). Of course its generally a member of the clergy who is the facilitator.

But its interesting....I find that its the older people who are starved of the knowledge who most attend the studies. My own aunt who was almost a nun in her younger years really began to bloom after years of Catholic dogma. She questioned a lot & ultimately had to reach out to other members of the family who broke away from Catholic for answers.....that opened up her mind quite a lot. today she is no longer a catholic....she is a biblicist. Tells ya something don't it?

And, of course, I have an aunt who was a dogmatic Baptist (missionary, in fact!) who began to study the teachings of the Catholic Church, now she R one, and had a lot to do with others in our family deciding to become Catholics. So, that tells ya something don't it?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And, of course, I have an aunt who was a dogmatic Baptist (missionary, in fact!) who began to study the teachings of the Catholic Church, now she R one, and had a lot to do with others in our family deciding to become Catholics. So, that tells ya something don't it?

You are from California right?