Abortion is Murder

[OldRegular]

'Abortion Is Murder' and 'There Are Murderers Among Us,' Megachurch Pastor Tells Congregation in Sunday Sermon

BY NICOLA MENZIE , CHRISTIAN POST REPORTER
February 3, 2015

Matt Chandler, lead pastor of The Village Church in Texas, recently preached against abortion from the pulpit, doing what many U.S. pastors apparently avoid like the plague, according to a survey's findings and the observation of some Christian leaders.

Chandler, married father of three, president of the church-planting Acts 29 Network, and co-author of such books as The Explicit Gospel and the upcoming The Mingling of Souls, took on the subject of abortion late last month as part of an on-going sermon series.

It was just in December when Chandler shared a stage with respected theologian and former pastor John Piper, who stated his belief that "there are cowards in the pulpit who won't touch the subject of abortion with a 10-foot pole."

It was at the "A Time to Speak" panel event where Piper made that scathing remark, and also included race as one of the rarely-, if ever-touched sermon subjects.

Chandler, who has spoken from The Village Church pulpit on racism and white privilege in the past, made it clear in his Sunday, Jan. 25 a sermon titled "The Sanctity of Life," that he is not among the alleged "cowards in the pulpit."

"I don't believe this is a political issue," Chandler says to the multi-campus Village Church before launching into his sermon, the video of which was made available online. "I believe this is a scientific issue and a deeply theological issue. I'm not trying to make political statements."

Chandler goes on to state that by delivering his anti-abortion message, he was "treading a strange space." He also acknowledges his need for the Holy Spirit to grant him "all the boldness" to "tell everyone in this room that abortion is murder."

"It is the murder of a human being. I'm going to have to say it. I'm going to show it to you in the Word. I want to prove it to you with science. I want to just lay it before you and say abortion is murder. It's a holocaust like the world has yet to see," he adds.

Chandler then notes the tens of millions of deaths attributed to Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin and Germany's Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler.

"The United States since Roe v. Wade, not globally but the United States, has blown past both of those brothers and have made them look angelic as we have slaughtered wholesale 55 million little boys and little girls."

He adds, "I gotta say that. If I don't say that, then all the things that the secular world says about megachurch pastors become true about me: that I want you to like me, and I want your money, and I want to be famous and I want… I'm far more afraid of God than I am of you."

But "I am no fool," says Chandler. "There are murderers among us.

"At the same time that I prophetically and boldly and courageously say, 'Abortion is murder,' I also need to step into this space knowing we are guilty of it. Many of us are guilty of it. Maybe we weren't the ones who had the abortion. Maybe we coerced and pressed somebody to have the abortion or just paid for the abortion. I need to say to you…listen to me…where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/a...r-tells-congregation-in-sunday-sermon-133465/

Emphasis mine!

 

[Crabtownboy]

Letting people die because of providing no medical insurance is murder.

 

[OldRegular]

Letting people die because of providing no medical insurance is murder.

How many people have you let die because you did not buy their medical insurance?

 

[PreachTony]

How many people have you let die because you did not buy their medical insurance?

Don't say things like that, OR! Some liberals believe that, so long as the government provides something, it comes to us at no cost. Trying to tell them otherwise is useless.

 

[Benjamin]

Letting people die because of providing no medical insurance is murder.

Even if that rhetoric lead to a true conclusion about those who oppose the liberal solution to healthcare, two wrongs would not ever make a right. So of what value is your argument here against the claim that abortion is murder? Answer: none. It was a purely fallacious argument of no logical value...

 

[Salty]

Letting people die because of providing no medical insurance is murder.

[mur-der] /ˈmɜr dər/

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noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder) and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)

 

[Revmitchell]

Let's see:

1. Crabby has defended organizations like Planned Parenthood which slaughter unborn children as needful.

2. Crabby has suggested that the Bible says life begins at birth.

3. Crabby distracts from conversation regarding the slaughter of unborn children by making false equivalences in unrelated political issues.


So.......what do you think this adds up too? I will leave that to you to decide.

 

[Rolfe]

Letting people die because of providing no medical insurance is murder.

Are high deductibles to be considered assault?

 

[preachinjesus]

Back to the OP, I don't agree abortion is the "untouchable" issue that leaders won't deal with.

Honestly, I've heard most evangelical pastors coming out strongly against abortion. They speak well and passionately.


Now, divorce and remarriage...that's an issue they won't touch.

 

[annsni]

Thank you Matt Chandler for addressing this very important issue and framing it in the Gospel!!

 

[JamesL]

I would offer that the murderous act of abortion, in and of itself, is not the most heinous aspect of the sin.

At the root is not simply taking a life, but the desire to hold the power of life and death - a place for God only.

Birth control is just as heinous as abortion. How many women take birth control because they don't want any more kids? Tubes tied because she doesn't want any more kids?

Who are we to tell God we're done? What if He wants you to have 7 more kids? And you tell Him to go jump in a lake?

Would it matter a whole lot if you shook your fist at God by taking a pill, or aborting a baby, or having a hysterectomy?

If your aim is to run your own life, do what you want how you want,does it matter a whole lot how that manifests?

 

[Use of Time]

I got a vasectomy two years ago. Is that bad?

 

[JamesL]

I got a vasectomy two years ago. Is that bad?

Did you have it done so that you would control life, regardless of what God might want?

 

[Use of Time]

Did you have it done so that you would control life, regardless of what God might want?

It's a vasectomy. What do people get vasectomies for.

 

[Revmitchell]

This thread is not about legalistic views on birth control

 

[Use of Time]

This thread is not about legalistic views on birth control

You aren't a mod and you didn't start the thread. I'm just following the flow of conversation here. Stop trying to shut conversation down.

 

[JamesL]

This thread is not about legalistic views on birth control

Ummm, yes it is. Abortion is but one form of birth control.
And legalism is more focused on the outward than the heart.

So a thread devoted to only one outward act, when there are at least 3 other outward acts which flow from the same heart issue....


But it is not my intent to hurl condemnation. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ. His grace is far greater than all of our failures

But maybe people can start to evaluate their motives beforehand. And it's a complete shame that preachers aren't teaching their flocks to do the same.

 

[Use of Time]

Ummm, yes it is. Abortion is but one form of birth control.
And legalism is more focused on the outward than the heart.

So a thread devoted to only one outward act, when there are at least 3 other outward acts which flow from the same heart issue....


But it is not my intent to hurl condemnation. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ. His grace is far greater than all of our failures

But maybe people can start to evaluate their motives beforehand. And it's a complete shame that preachers aren't teaching their flocks to do the same.

Don't mind him. He's always got an axe to grind.

 

[convicted1]

Let's see:

1. Crabby has defended organizations like Planned Parenthood which slaughter unborn children as needful.

2. Crabby has suggested that the Bible says life begins at birth.

3. Crabby distracts from conversation regarding the slaughter of unborn children by making false equivalences in unrelated political issues.


So.......what do you think this adds up too? I will leave that to you to decide.

Someone in deep 'doo-doo'....

 

[convicted1]

Taking birth control pills, snipping a guy's 'manhood', or a woman having her tubes tied doesn't kill a fetus like an abortion does...