Abortion is Murder

[OldRegular]

This thread is not about legalistic views on birth control

This thread is about the 55,000,000 children who have been slaughtered in the abortuaries. Doctors like Gosnell are getting rich and woman are accessories to the murder of their child. I am thankful for any pastor/preacher who will speak out against the continuation of this abomination.

One of the saddest results of abortion is the many couples in this country who are unable to have children. If they want to adopt they often must go to a foreign country!

 

[Don]

I got a vasectomy two years ago. Is that bad?

I already had a daughter and a son when I had one in '94. I was saved in '95; had another daughter in '96. Had a reversal in '98; had another son in '99.

Motive. Had the vasectomy cause I didn't think we could afford more children. Had the reversal because after being saved, it was laid on my heart to let God have His way.

Don't ask us if it was bad. Ask God, and let us know what He tells you.

 

[Use of Time]

I already had a daughter and a son when I had one in '94. I was saved in '95; had another daughter in '96. Had a reversal in '98; had another son in '99.

Motive. Had the vasectomy cause I didn't think we could afford more children. Had the reversal because after being saved, it was laid on my heart to let God have His way.

Don't ask us if it was bad. Ask God, and let us know what He tells you.

No, I get that but I think JamesL was pretty clumsy with his words trying to make it sound like it was more "heinous" than abortion which is a reach if not outright insulting. Our decision was not based on finances but my wife's ability to carry another child after two high risk pregnancies. The second pregnancy was especially harrowing as we fought every day to keep our daughter from coming out early.

 

[JamesL]

Use of Time...
I think if you go back to post #11 it might be beneficial.

What I said there is that the root mentality is the most heinous aspect, which would be the desire to run our own life with no regard for God.

That would make any form of birth control just as heinous as the next.


And my intent was not to drag more people into condemnation, but to create a shift in perspective. Abortion is THE mortal sin in the eyes of many, but they don't get to the heart of the matter

 

[Use of Time]

Use of Time...
I think if you go back to post #11 it might be beneficial.

What I said there is that the root mentality is the most heinous aspect, which would be the desire to run our own life with no regard for God.

That would make any form of birth control just as heinous as the next.


And my intent was not to drag more people into condemnation, but to create a shift in perspective. Abortion is THE mortal sin in the eyes of many, but they don't get to the heart of the matter

No, I gotcha. You did a better job of explaining your position in your subsequent post. Post #11 just failed to qualify statements like these.

"Birth control is just as heinous as abortion. How many women take birth control because they don't want any more kids? Tubes tied because she doesn't want any more kids?"

I would respectfully advise you to be careful with the way you broach this subject. These decisions are obviously not made lightly and are usually for a myriad of personal reasons. Just outright stating that birth control is just as heinous as abortion is probably not the best way to go about that.

I've got no issue with you and I understand the underlying point you were trying to make. I appreciated your responses.

 

[Benjamin]

I would offer that the murderous act of abortion, in and of itself, is not the most heinous aspect of the sin.

At the root is not simply taking a life, but the desire to hold the power of life and death - a place for God only.

Birth control is just as heinous as abortion. How many women take birth control because they don't want any more kids? Tubes tied because she doesn't want any more kids?

Who are we to tell God we're done? What if He wants you to have 7 more kids? And you tell Him to go jump in a lake?

Would it matter a whole lot if you shook your fist at God by taking a pill, or aborting a baby, or having a hysterectomy?

If your aim is to run your own life, do what you want how you want,does it matter a whole lot how that manifests?

Apparently, according to same logic I should be able to equally offer, that the murderous act of abortion, in and of itself, is not the most heinous aspect of the sin.

By James’ reasoning having lifesaving surgery should also at the root be the desire to hold the power of life and death – a place for God only.

Therefore, lifesaving surgery is just as heinous as the act of abortion.

Who are we to tell God we’re not ready to be done with life? What if He wants you dead? And you tell Him to go jump in a lake?

If your aim is to run your own life, do what you want how you want, does it matter a whole lot how that manifests?

 

[annsni]

I already had a daughter and a son when I had one in '94. I was saved in '95; had another daughter in '96. Had a reversal in '98; had another son in '99.

And here we see that even a vasectomy is no hurdle if God wants us to have children.

 

[annsni]

I would offer that the murderous act of abortion, in and of itself, is not the most heinous aspect of the sin.

At the root is not simply taking a life, but the desire to hold the power of life and death - a place for God only.

Birth control is just as heinous as abortion. How many women take birth control because they don't want any more kids? Tubes tied because she doesn't want any more kids?

Who are we to tell God we're done? What if He wants you to have 7 more kids? And you tell Him to go jump in a lake?

Would it matter a whole lot if you shook your fist at God by taking a pill, or aborting a baby, or having a hysterectomy?

If your aim is to run your own life, do what you want how you want,does it matter a whole lot how that manifests?

Let me ask you this: I know when I am fertile. Is it a sin for me to choose to not be intimate during that time to avoid a pregnancy? How would that be different from using another form of birth control?

 

[Don]

And here we see that even a vasectomy is no hurdle if God wants us to have children.

(Yup. The rest of that story is, after my wife and I were saved, at a church Valentine's dinner, she said she wanted another child. I shrugged, commented on my physical inability, and didn't think about it again. She prayed. Power of prayer, folks.)

 

[Rolfe]

Abortion is murder. Birth control is neither murder, nor is it on par with it.

 

[OldRegular]

I would offer that the murderous act of abortion, in and of itself, is not the most heinous aspect of the sin.

At the root is not simply taking a life, but the desire to hold the power of life and death - a place for God only.

Birth control is just as heinous as abortion. How many women take birth control because they don't want any more kids? Tubes tied because she doesn't want any more kids?

Who are we to tell God we're done? What if He wants you to have 7 more kids? And you tell Him to go jump in a lake?

Would it matter a whole lot if you shook your fist at God by taking a pill, or aborting a baby, or having a hysterectomy?

If your aim is to run your own life, do what you want how you want,does it matter a whole lot how that manifests?

Birth control may be wrong but it is not destroying life, unless it is something like the "morning after" pill!

Using your argument one could claim that artificial in-semination or in-vitro fertilization are wrong!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Lot's of Christians mis-interpret the sin of Onan.

Nothing wrong with vasectomies, tubal ligations, or any other method that prevents conception.

 

[JamesL]

Lot's of Christians mis-interpret the sin of Onan.

Nothing wrong with vasectomies, tubal ligations, or any other method that prevents conception.

It's not merely the act, and not entirely based upon Onan.

Read Genesis 38:1-10 for the account. The issue was later made part of the Law, see Deuteronomy 25:5-10.

God had a design, as it related to posterity, namesake, inheritance, etc. If a married man died with no heir, that man's brother would take his sister-in-law, and raise up a son for his brother. This was the root of Onan's disaster.

God had a plan, Onan told Him to get lost.

People go about their own way of trying to control life and death, and it is sin. Scripture says anything not of faith is sin.

Abraham and Sarah heard God's promise of a son, and went off in the flesh to make it happen. It's bigger than a single act, it's a mentality of not trusting God

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I understand the episode quite well.

With us, it's more like we don't want to have kids in our fifties. I don't listen to people who tell me s3x for the sake of s3x is wrong. In the confines of a biblical marriage, that is.

 

[Van]

Jesus ate broiled fish, rode on animals, traveled in boats, etc. The idea that God does not want man to behave differently from animals, i.e. without use of ingenuity, is fiction.

I do not think the issue is whether abortion is wrong in the eyes of believers, the issue is we have not moved effectively to prevent it. Banging a drum, marching in the public square does not alter the reality. It is beyond my capacity to understand why millions of mothers think that it is ok to murder their unborn babies. I understand why left wing godless men think the idea is useful for fighting the dreaded "overpopulation" problem.

 

[JamesL]

Birth control may be wrong but it is not destroying life, unless it is something like the "morning after" pill!

Using your argument one could claim that artificial in-semination or in-vitro fertilization are wrong!

Doesn't have to be "destroying life" to be evil. As a matter of fact, God was most angry at Saul for NOT destroying life.

The issue doesn't resonate well with believers - GOD is supposed to direct our steps, not us. And if that ain't the case, we are in rebellion.

The act matters much, much less than the heart

 

[JamesL]

I don't listen to people who tell me s3x for the sake of s3x is wrong...

I wouldn't listen to them, either.

 

[InTheLight]

Doesn't have to be "destroying life" to be evil. As a matter of fact, God was most angry at Saul for NOT destroying life.

The issue doesn't resonate well with believers - GOD is supposed to direct our steps, not us. And if that ain't the case, we are in rebellion.

The act matters much, much less than the heart

This is a viewpoint you don't run across too often. Essentially you are saying that married couples should not engage in family planning of any kind. No birth control whatsoever (pill, condom, IUD, etc.) and no time of the month abstaining. Is that correct?

 

[Salty]

This is a viewpoint you don't run across too often. Essentially you are saying that married couples should not engage in family planning of any kind. No birth control whatsoever (pill, condom, IUD, etc.) and no time of the month abstaining. Is that correct?

Actually the Roman Catholic church believes you should not use artificial birth control.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

'Abortion Is Murder'

Not in the eyes of the secular!