Diversity

[Rebel]

We have Bro. James who sees Baptists as the New Testament church, and Walter who sees the RCC as that. And they would apparently exclude all others as not being the NT church. Neither person would believe in diversity and would be troubled by it.

Some don't want diversity and think it is a bad thing. Some want certainty and are willing to sacrifice individual thinking and liberty of conscience in order to have what they feel is certainty. As for me, I don't wan't to be told what is right by a group of people, whether a denomination, "church fathers", church councils, popes, etc. I want to be able to read the Bible and be lead of the Holy Spirit to interpret it as I am lead. If that principle produces countless denominations, so be it. I strongly believe that is preferable to one large structure dictating what is acceptable to be believed. Do I want to be a part of something which is as close to what Jesus and the apostles taught as is possible? You bet. But I don't think that can be found in an organization which denies liberty of conscience. So, I opt for diversity over uniformity, whether that uniformity is demanded by some hierarchy, as in the case of the RCC, or obtained by a sort of "peer pressure" as in some Baptist groups.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

We have Bro. James who sees Baptists as the New Testament church, and Walter who sees the RCC as that. And they would apparently exclude all others as not being the NT church. Neither person would believe in diversity and would be troubled by it.

Some don't want diversity and think it is a bad thing. Some want certainty and are willing to sacrifice individual thinking and liberty of conscience in order to have what they feel is certainty. As for me, I don't wan't to be told what is right by a group of people, whether a denomination, "church fathers", church councils, popes, etc. I want to be able to read the Bible and be lead of the Holy Spirit to interpret it as I am lead. If that principle produces countless denominations, so be it. I strongly believe that is preferable to one large structure dictating what is acceptable to be believed. Do I want to be a part of something which is as close to what Jesus and the apostles taught as is possible? You bet. But I don't think that can be found in an organization which denies liberty of conscience. So, I opt for diversity over uniformity, whether that uniformity is demanded by some hierarchy, as in the case of the RCC, or obtained by a sort of "peer pressure" as in some Baptist groups.

Onward Christian soldier be your army but Sabbaths' Feast of Christ HOME Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH!


“Except the LORD OF HOSTS had left us a SEED—Christ our Lord Jesus—we had been as Sodoma and been made like unto Gomorrha.” Romans 9:29

James 5:1-10, “…Take my brethren the prophets who have spoken in the name of the Lord for an example of SUFFERING AFFLICTION, AND OF PATIENCE. …Ye have seen the end of the Lord, and that the LORD IS VERY PITIFUL AND OF TENDER MERCY.”

 

[Rebel]

Onward Christian soldier be your army but Sabbaths' Feast of Christ HOME Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH!


“Except the LORD OF HOSTS had left us a SEED—Christ our Lord Jesus—we had been as Sodoma and been made like unto Gomorrha.” Romans 9:29

James 5:1-10, “…Take my brethren the prophets who have spoken in the name of the Lord for an example of SUFFERING AFFLICTION, AND OF PATIENCE. …Ye have seen the end of the Lord, and that the LORD IS VERY PITIFUL AND OF TENDER MERCY.”

What in the world is this, or the purpose of it?

 

[The American Dream]

What in the world is this, or the purpose of it?

I have no idea, but would really appreciate you telling me when you figure it out.

 

[OldRegular]

We have Bro. James who sees Baptists as the New Testament church, and Walter who sees the RCC as that. And they would apparently exclude all others as not being the NT church. Neither person would believe in diversity and would be troubled by it.

Some don't want diversity and think it is a bad thing. Some want certainty and are willing to sacrifice individual thinking and liberty of conscience in order to have what they feel is certainty. As for me, I don't wan't to be told what is right by a group of people, whether a denomination, "church fathers", church councils, popes, etc. I want to be able to read the Bible and be lead of the Holy Spirit to interpret it as I am lead. If that principle produces countless denominations, so be it. I strongly believe that is preferable to one large structure dictating what is acceptable to be believed. Do I want to be a part of something which is as close to what Jesus and the apostles taught as is possible? You bet. But I don't think that can be found in an organization which denies liberty of conscience. So, I opt for diversity over uniformity, whether that uniformity is demanded by some hierarchy, as in the case of the RCC, or obtained by a sort of "peer pressure" as in some Baptist groups.

Jesus Christ established His Church. The Baptist Church represents that Church more than any other denomination that exists at this time.

The RCC is essentially Old Testament Temple worship with a few extras thrown in. They retain all the elaborate dress, the priesthood, the pope replaces the head priest; the continual blood sacrifice except now it is a blasphemous re-sacrifice of Jesus Christ in the mass; their version of the Vestal Virgins called the brides of Jesus Christ, the Nuns; and innumerable other perversions of the Church for which Jesus Christ died. Someone has provided an extensive list on another thread!

One thing is certain. There is only one correct interpretation of Scripture. The Holy Spirit does not give differing interpretations to different people!

 

[The American Dream]

If I did not think the local Baptist Church or one of like faith and order was the closest to what a true NT church is, then I would not be one.

 

[BobRyan]

We have Bro. James who sees Baptists as the New Testament church, and Walter who sees the RCC as that. And they would apparently exclude all others as not being the NT church. Neither person would believe in diversity and would be troubled by it.

Some don't want diversity and think it is a bad thing. Some want certainty and are willing to sacrifice individual thinking and liberty of conscience in order to have what they feel is certainty. As for me, I don't wan't to be told what is right by a group of people, whether a denomination, "church fathers", church councils, popes, etc. I want to be able to read the Bible and be lead of the Holy Spirit to interpret it as I am lead. If that principle produces countless denominations, so be it. I strongly believe that is preferable to one large structure dictating what is acceptable to be believed. Do I want to be a part of something which is as close to what Jesus and the apostles taught as is possible? You bet. But I don't think that can be found in an organization which denies liberty of conscience. So, I opt for diversity over uniformity, whether that uniformity is demanded by some hierarchy, as in the case of the RCC, or obtained by a sort of "peer pressure" as in some Baptist groups.

What do you think of this??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtXiOzp43Yw

 

[Rebel]

Jesus Christ established His Church. The Baptist Church represents that Church more than any other denomination that exists at this time.

The RCC is essentially Old Testament Temple worship with a few extras thrown in. They retain all the elaborate dress, the priesthood, the pope replaces the head priest; the continual blood sacrifice except now it is a blasphemous re-sacrifice of Jesus Christ in the mass; their version of the Vestal Virgins called the brides of Jesus Christ, the Nuns; and innumerable other perversions of the Church for which Jesus Christ died. Someone has provided an extensive list on another thread!

One thing is certain. There is only one correct interpretation of Scripture. The Holy Spirit does not give differing interpretations to different people!

But most other denominations think theirs represents the NT church more than any others.

So, if there is only one correct interpretation of scripture, who has it, and how may a person discover which denomination that is?

Also, who is to say which interpretation is the correct one? A denomination? A Magisterium? Church Councils? Church Fathers? The Individual?

 

[Rebel]

What do you think of this??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtXiOzp43Yw

It is troublesome, if it should be a sign that Protestants and Catholics are moving closer to a superchurch.

However, I don't believe that Protestants and Catholics have ever been as far away from each other as some have thought. There have been a few significant differences, but on the atonement, they are close.

 

[OldRegular]

But most other denominations think theirs represents the NT church more than any others.

So, if there is only one correct interpretation of scripture, who has it, and how may a person discover which denomination that is?

Also, who is to say which interpretation is the correct one? A denomination? A Magisterium? Church Councils? Church Fathers? The Individual?

I have already told you!

Originally Posted by OldRegular
Jesus Christ established His Church. The Baptist Church represents that Church more than any other denomination that exists at this time.

There is nothing left over from Roman Catholicism in the Baptist Denomination because it did not come out of Roman Catholicism. The Baptist Denomination is not a Protestant Denomination. Protestant Denominations in general have some remnant of Roman Catholicism, usually infant baptism, fall from grace, denominational hierarchy, etc.. Some like the Lutherans and Anglicans believe in baptismal regeneration.

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[Zenas]

We have Bro. James who sees Baptists as the New Testament church, and Walter who sees the RCC as that. And they would apparently exclude all others as not being the NT church. Neither person would believe in diversity and would be troubled by it.

Some don't want diversity and think it is a bad thing. Some want certainty and are willing to sacrifice individual thinking and liberty of conscience in order to have what they feel is certainty. As for me, I don't wan't to be told what is right by a group of people, whether a denomination, "church fathers", church councils, popes, etc. I want to be able to read the Bible and be lead of the Holy Spirit to interpret it as I am lead. If that principle produces countless denominations, so be it. I strongly believe that is preferable to one large structure dictating what is acceptable to be believed. Do I want to be a part of something which is as close to what Jesus and the apostles taught as is possible? You bet. But I don't think that can be found in an organization which denies liberty of conscience. So, I opt for diversity over uniformity, whether that uniformity is demanded by some hierarchy, as in the case of the RCC, or obtained by a sort of "peer pressure" as in some Baptist groups.

Those are nice thoughts, Rebel, but are they scriptural? Where in the Bible is there an emphasis on soul liberty? It seems to me that the New Testament teaches just the opposite. I am reminded of Paul's charge to Titus: "These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you."

 

[Rebel]

Those are nice thoughts, Rebel, but are they scriptural? Where in the Bible is there an emphasis on soul liberty? It seems to me that the New Testament teaches just the opposite. I am reminded of Paul's charge to Titus: "These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you."

I don't see what you see in the New Testament. I don't see that any church or council had the authority to impose its beliefs or decisions on any other church or individual. Freedom is of the essence of God's character, and he endowed every human being with that right.

 

[OldRegular]

I don't see what you see in the New Testament. I don't see that any church or council had the authority to impose its beliefs or decisions on any other church or individual. Freedom is of the essence of God's character, and he endowed every human being with that right.

Can you present Scripture to support those two statements? If not they are useless statements!

 

[Rebel]

Can you present Scripture to support those two statements? If not they are useless statements!

Are you sure you're Baptist?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Jesus Christ established His Church. The Baptist Church represents that Church more than any other denomination that exists at this time.

The RCC is essentially Old Testament Temple worship with a few extras thrown in. They retain all the elaborate dress, the priesthood, the pope replaces the head priest; the continual blood sacrifice except now it is a blasphemous re-sacrifice of Jesus Christ in the mass; their version of the Vestal Virgins called the brides of Jesus Christ, the Nuns; and innumerable other perversions of the Church for which Jesus Christ died. Someone has provided an extensive list on another thread!

One thing is certain. There is only one correct interpretation of Scripture. The Holy Spirit does not give differing interpretations to different people!

........There is nothing left over from Roman Catholicism in the Baptist Denomination because it did not come out of Roman Catholicism. The Baptist Denomination is not a Protestant Denomination. Protestant Denominations in general have some remnant of Roman Catholicism, usually infant baptism, fall from grace, denominational hierarchy, etc.. Some like the Lutherans and Anglicans believe in baptismal regeneration.........

HERE is collected every indication there could be that the RCC and the Baptists AND WHOEVER next, ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.

Their main commonality is that they are incapable to spiritually discern 'Sabbaths' Feast of Christ HOME Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH :

...because "in this world" the INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH shall receive nothing than "SUFFERING AND AFFLICTION" from both 'wings' of the anti-Christ and everyone else.

For it is written,

"Here is the PATIENCE of the saints here are they that keep the Commandments OF-GOD-INDEED-THE-FAITH-OF-JESUS", for “the LORD OF HOSTS had left us a SEED—Christ our Lord Jesus", which is THE ONLY "BODY OF CHRIST'S OWN". Or else (if there were more than one Body of Christ's Own), it "had been as Sodoma and been made like unto Gomorrha” all around them. Romans 9:29 Colossians 2:17.

"MY BRETHREN, take the prophets who have spoken in THE NAME OF THE LORD for an example of SUFFERING AND AFFLICTION, AND OF PATIENCE. …Ye have seen the end of the Lord, and that the LORD IS VERY PITIFUL AND OF TENDER MERCY.”

Who are the UNSEEN oppressors in this world of the UNSEEN Body of Christ's Own?

None other than the 'established Church'---ONE 'Church'.

It is ALL FAKED 'bodies' of Christ's Own Body. They without exception are born of the woman in scarlet array riding on the back of the dragon.

The nomad desert People of God and woman who had been of Child are long since dispersed over the face of the earth and must hide in holes like rats or like rats carrying the black death must be slaughtered by the seven headed red dragon : the 'Christian', 'Church'.

Ask me again <<What this is>>!!

[[Usually the same idea is expressed like this ... 'In every church there are true children of God.']]

 

[Walter]

HERE is collected every indication there could be that the RCC and the Baptists AND WHOEVER next, ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.

Their main commonality is that they are incapable to spiritually discern 'Sabbaths' Feast of Christ HOME Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH :

...because "in this world" the INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH shall receive nothing than "SUFFERING AND AFFLICTION" from both 'wings' of the anti-Christ and everyone else.

For it is written,

"Here is the PATIENCE of the saints here are they that keep the Commandments OF-GOD-INDEED-THE-FAITH-OF-JESUS", for “the LORD OF HOSTS had left us a SEED—Christ our Lord Jesus", which is THE ONLY "BODY OF CHRIST'S OWN". Or else (if there were more than one Body of Christ's Own), it "had been as Sodoma and been made like unto Gomorrha” all around them. Romans 9:29 Colossians 2:17.

"MY BRETHREN, take the prophets who have spoken in THE NAME OF THE LORD for an example of SUFFERING AND AFFLICTION, AND OF PATIENCE. …Ye have seen the end of the Lord, and that the LORD IS VERY PITIFUL AND OF TENDER MERCY.”

Who are the UNSEEN oppressors in this world of the UNSEEN Body of Christ's Own?

None other than the 'established Church'---ONE 'Church'.

It is ALL FAKED 'bodies' of Christ's Own Body. They without exception are born of the woman in scarlet array riding on the back of the dragon.

The nomad desert People of God and woman who had been of Child are long since dispersed over the face of the earth and must hide in holes like rats or like rats carrying the black death must be slaughtered by the seven headed red dragon : the 'Christian', 'Church'.

Ask me again <<What this is>>!!

[[Usually the same idea is expressed like this ... 'In every church there are true children of God.']]

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING- - - - - WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

I know this is a competition with an enormous number of entries, but we may have a winner in the contest to determine the most incoherent, confusing, and obscure post on the Baptist Board!!! :smilewinkgrin:


I say incoherent, confusing and obscure because, if I didn't know better, I'd say GE is saying that his tiny little sect (other than a few in 'holes like rats' around the world) are the only 'true-believers' and the rest of Christianity (including Baptists) is LOST (anti-Christ) . GE said: 'HERE is collected every indication there could be that the RCC and the Baptists AND WHOEVER next, ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.' This will come as quite a surprise to many on this board.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

I don't see what you see in the New Testament. I don't see that any church or council had the authority to impose its beliefs or decisions on any other church or individual.

Check out Acts 15

Freedom is of the essence of God's character, and he endowed every human being with that right.

How far do we extend that freedom in regards to Christian belief and practice? Do some have the freedom to condone h0m0sexual relationships? If not, why? What if such folks claim to be 'led by the Holy Spirit' who is allegedly 'doing a new thing'? Likewise, what about those who 'spiritualize' the resurrection and state that Christ was simply an exalted human teacher who was trying to show us how to love and to discover the truth that we all are truly 'divine' since we're all God's children?

What would the limits to this freedom be (if any), and how does one determine what these are without falling back on one's subjective discernment? What happens when two people, each sincerely claiming to be led by the Spirit come to diametrically opposed views, even about the nature of God, Christ, and salvation? Or does it even matter?

This is indeed a complex issue, for sure. I was wondering how you may have sorted through these questions, if you have considered them. Granted, we cannot totally suspend subjective judgment because we ALL employ this in deciding what to believe, but how do we know if what we've decided to believe in matches up with objective reality regarding Christian faith and practice?

 

[OldRegular]

are you sure you're baptist?

just present the scripture!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING- - - - - WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

I know this is a competition with an enormous number of entries, but we may have a winner in the contest to determine the most incoherent, confusing, and obscure post on the Baptist Board!!! :smilewinkgrin:


I say incoherent, confusing and obscure because, if I didn't know better, I'd say GE is saying that his tiny little sect (other than a few in 'holes like rats' around the world) are the only 'true-believers' and the rest of Christianity (including Baptists) is LOST (anti-Christ) . GE said: 'HERE is collected every indication there could be that the RCC and the Baptists AND WHOEVER next, ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.' This will come as quite a surprise to many on this board.

ALL I said is : The TRUE Body of God's Saved are in the FALSE -- 'greater body' of the 'True Church'.

At the same time I made sure to find the foot that fits the glass shoe. Read James the fifth chapter 1-11. It fitted perfectly. Of all the 'friends' only one was a Job. YOU WON'T SEE A JOB HAVE LEPROSY--- YOU, Baptists and RC the whole catooti in cahoots.

I'm not stupid or mad. What I wrote was coherent and to the point. But you have never read or heard or thought anything like it. But God's sun shines upon all, whether one is in his grave or the other in his throne.

Said another way: Jesus commanded The wheat and the tares must grow together until the harvest. But the 'Church' thinks it's better the 'weeds' must be rooted up now. ‘Weeds’ like my <<tiny little sect>>.

 

[OldRegular]

HERE is collected every indication there could be that the RCC and the Baptists AND WHOEVER next, ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME.

Their main commonality is that they are incapable to spiritually discern 'Sabbaths' Feast of Christ HOME Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH :

...because "in this world" the INVISIBLE HOSTS OF THE LORD SABAOTH shall receive nothing than "SUFFERING AND AFFLICTION" from both 'wings' of the anti-Christ and everyone else.

In the midst of all the semantic nonsense you spout it appears that you are calling both the Roman Catholics, the Baptists and all in between the Antichrist. You sound like a loose canon on a wooden boat!

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