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Featured Republicans Admit: That Iran Letter Was a Dumb Idea

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  1. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

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    It was just a dumb move. They are so out to undermine Obama to show him that he can't do anything without their approval, that they've managed to pin themselves into a stupid corner.

    If negotiations fall apart, the fault is gonna be placed right in their laps by the Dems from here through the election cycle.
     
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    This, along with your constant use of bolded Comic Sans, confirms for me you are a troll of the highest dedication. My hats off to you El Retardo! You will have to work hard to best this pile of manure!
     
    #22 ShagNappy, Mar 11, 2015
  3. OldRegular

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    Will you honestly say you trust Obama and Kerry?

    After 6 years in Office Obama is still an unknown other than he is a Marxist, a racist, hates this country, and thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound in the world.

    As for Kerry. Well if you trust him you will be sent back to Bloody Breathitt for punishment, perhaps only a short "purgatory stay" cause you are a fellow hillbilly, but don't push your luck!:tonofbricks:
     
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  4. Zaac

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    The Rule of Law has nothing to do with your trust of Obama and Kerry.

    He and his administration, not Congress, are responsible for foreign policy direction.

    If they had waited until after an agreement had been brokered and then said Congress can't get behind this, that would be one thing.

    But they showed their hands too quickly and showed that this is all about politics and interfering with Obama's ability to do what he was elected to do.

    Warmongers is what they will be viewed as.
     
    #24 Zaac, Mar 11, 2015
  5. kyredneck

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    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98637

    I predict they're gonna come out smelling like a rose to the American public if this strategy in dealing with ISIS is successful, AND, Iran will gain in public opinion here also if they conduct themselves well.

    Hide & watch, wait & see. :)
     
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  6. 777

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    Well, what bother me here is that Iran keeps demanding concession after concession and getting it with this WH. I don't see what's so wrong with:

    either of those options would be a better choice than waiting for an inevitable nuclear Iran and hope it's "peaceful".

    As for the fall-out for the 2016 elections, time will tell but I think this is just a toothless protest statement by the GOP.
     
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    You really need to read something besides DNC talking points.

    If you did, you would know that Obama has no intention of submitting any agreement reached to the Senate.

    IE...Another illegal "executive action".
     
    #27 carpro, Mar 11, 2015
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    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I have heard that Obama can make a deal until the end of his term with Iran without submitting it to the US Senate. It would not be a treaty and could be reversed 2 seconds after Obama leaves office in January 2017--a happy day for everyone.
     
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  9. kyredneck

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    CMG, methinks you're a wee bit over confident that the next POTUS will be a Republican. I say the idiotic moves the Republican congress are making right now brings into question their majority in 2017. You all seem to forget, Obama was elected BECAUSE Americans were war weary and fed up with the neocons, and they STILL are.
     
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  10. Zaac

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    BINGO. The GOP was already out of the running for 2016. This will just seal the deal for the Dems.
     
    #30 Zaac, Mar 11, 2015
  11. just-want-peace

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    No doubt about it, Neville Chamberlain (at least in spirit) is alive and well.
    :rolleyes::D
     
    #31 just-want-peace, Mar 11, 2015
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    Yeah, you got that right - this deal (which I'm no fan of) is not a treaty, and Obama can do it unilaterally and any deal will expire when he leaves office if the next POTUS doesn't want to issue another EA.

    You didn't say that the next POTUS was going to be a Republican and the merits/detriments of this deal will have all changed by 2016.
     
    #32 777, Mar 11, 2015
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    You are counting your chicks and momma hasn't laid the eggs yet, except the one named email!
     
    #33 OldRegular, Mar 11, 2015
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    The deal will be so bad that it cannot be submitted to the US Senate.

    I am not sure that the next President will be a Republican. Right now Hillary has high name recognition and is leading in the polls but I don't think that she could debate a person such as Gov. Walker, for example. To me, Hillary is very corrupt and her policies are much like Obama's.
     
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  15. Zaac

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    I don't have any chicks in the fight as I already know that I won't be voting for either of the two major party candidates.
     
    #35 Zaac, Mar 11, 2015
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    Exactly, what do you expect when lead by Speaker Bonehead and RINO Mitch McConnell. Both are spineless. They would both make great Democrats.
     
    #36 The American Dream, Mar 11, 2015
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    Sadly you are right on.
     
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    Exactly....
     
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    It doesn't make their move any less stupid. Republican candidates could have used 'Democratic lawlessness' to their advantage, now the table is turned:

    Kathleen Parker on GOP Letter

    "....It must be relatively simple, as one clips along the marble halls of the Russell Senate Office Building, speaking only to those of like mind, to decide that undermining the president is a public service. Hating the president isn’t personal; it’s a national imperative! He’s not our leader, after all. Therefore, he shall not be allowed to lead. Collateral damage? Well, such is the toll we pay for truth, justice and My Way.

    Yes, the preceding paragraph could as easily have been written about the president, whose approach to governance has become an executive action (or agreement, in this case) and a pen. The disorder isn’t unique to one party and is, apparently, highly contagious.

    So what was the rush to tell Iran, essentially, “You’re wasting your time” ? The 47 senators are like food critics who condemn a chef before he has finished preparing the entree. Their letter also signals to the world that they have zero respect for our president, or for the other world powers attempting to try diplomacy first.

    This cannot have been helpful to any but the signees’ legendary standing in their own minds.

    In comments about the letter, his lips stretched a little tighter than usual, Obama suggested that the 47 were seeking “common cause” with Iran’s hard-right religious leaders.

    The foregoing observations don’t mean that Republicans are wrong about their concerns. Many Democrats are concerned, too. No American disagrees that Iran is a bad actor undeserving of faith or trust. But there are other ways to accomplish our goals than profiling for political profit. The 47 may have felt like Zorro, inking their opposition with the bold felt tips of their swords, but they were acting like children at the school fair whose single purpose is to dunk the principal.

    No one is jockeying for a bad deal, plainly. And everyone at the table and beyond knows that the United States and Israel will not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. Period. Thus, an attempt at a diplomatic agreement is more than a hedge against the unthinkable — a nuclear-armed Iran. It is a message to the world that, if and when we do take military action, it will be as a last resort....."
     
    #39 kyredneck, Mar 12, 2015
  20. OldRegular

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    Kathleen Parker is an elitist journalist like George Will! I psy no attention to either!

    Does anyone really believe that the United States will prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon? Yeah, just like North Korea!
     
    #40 OldRegular, Mar 12, 2015
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