Featured The church was the intended audience...

And there you have it. The real attitude behind your posts. If you want to debate those who oppose your view you should not begin with an attack on them.

 

"putting your bog boy pants on" would actually consist of not attacking those you want to debate with. What you did was childish.

 

You speak like a child. Either that or you have a speech impediment. ;-)

 

Amen to all of the above.

 

First I see you do not deny the charges you only further attack one who points it out. Second I was banned for calling someone a baby killer except I never called anyone a baby killer. It never happened and no one not any admin or mod can produce a post where I posted that.

You used to be very reasonable and here lately the tone of your posts has changed dramatically. You have become very hostile and defensive. I am not sure what has changed for you but I will be praying.

 

That is a shame. Maybe you need a break from the board.

I'll tell you what, you recant that first part of your statement and I will move on and address the rest.

 

In the KJV, that verse reads "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Try as you might, that verse speaks to me of a universal desire of God that mankind would turn to Him. He is not willing that anyone should die, but His desire is that all come to repentance. If God's grace is as irresistible as the Calvinist claims it to be, why does God simply not move all mankind to repent and live in harmony with Him? Could it be that, because of the separation caused by the Fall, and by the ingrained will that a sovereign God granted His creation, that mankind has to come to God, or reject God, under their own volition after hearing the preached Word and feeling the drawing power of the Holy Ghost of God?

Sorry, Bro. Willis, but you're using the same Calvinist trap that others have tried. You don't want the word "whosoever" to mean "whosoever," you want it to mean "the Elect." You don't want "the world" to mean "the world," you want it to mean "the Elect." I've been accused before (not here) of over-spiritualizing scripture, but to read John 3:16 literally would give anyone the impression that God sent Jesus for the whole world; not just a small part of it.

The KJV reads "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." This feels like a stretch to apply this verse only to the Elect. Again, you are making "him that heareth" and "whosoever" apply only to the Elect. If that makes you feel better, then go for it. I don't see it that way.

Sure, it's only for a select few. The rest of you can just give up. You never had a chance. God never loved you and never intended to even approach you with intent to save. You were damned to Hell before you were even created in your mother's womb. You do realize that's the flip side to the Calvinist argument for Election, right? A vast multitude of people bound for Hell and the eventual Lake of Fire through no action of their own, but simply because God never loved them and intended to damn them before the foundation of the world.

 

Some snips from John Owen's The Death of Death in the Death of Christ.

"So the sense is, :God so loved his elect throughouut the world, that he gave his Son with this intention, that by him believers might be saved." (p.214)

"These words, then, whosoever believeth, containing a designation of the means whereby the Lord will bring us to a participation of life through his Son, whom he gave for us; and the following words, of having life everlasting, making out the whole counsel of God in this matter, subordinate to his own glory; it followeth, --
That God gave not his Son,--1. For them who never do believe; 2. Much less for them who never hear of him, and so evidently want means of faith; 3. For them on whom he hath determined not to bestow effectual grace, that they might believe." (p.217)

John Owen goes into some depth, which my snippets do not do him justice, but these bites might be food for thought.

 

Matthew 11:28 :
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." (NIV)

What follows is a snip from A.W. Pink's article :Studies on Saving Faith

"...contains a gracious invitation, made by the compassionate Savior to a particular class of sinners. The 'all' is qualified, clearly and definitely, by the words which immediately follow it. The character of those to whom this loving word belongs is clearly defined : it is to those who 'labor' and are 'heavy laden.' Most clearly then, it applies not to the vast majority of light-headed, gay-hearted, pleasure-seeking fellows, who have no regard for God's glory and no concern about their eternal welfare...But to those who have 'labored' hard to keep the law and please God, who are 'heavy laden' with a felt sense of their utter inability to meet His requirements, and who long to be delivered from the power and pollution of sin, Christ says, 'Come unto me, and I will give you rest.' "

 

Still waiting for a public apology from 'convicted1' on the charges he made about me and Steaver. Still waiting to see what he's made of.

 

PT

every single person Peter spoke of in 2 pet 3.......to usward....is going to be saved......not one will be lost.....they are chosen by God. ...He will seek and save all He has purposed to save.......not one more....not one less
to say otherwise is to misunderstand the whole chapter......

 

Con 1 has given a proper observation and a challenge that I believe you have misread.

He claims the objectors have imaginary enemies....caricatures of the truth......
Now he offers the challenge.....step up......to you and any other person.....to show line by line where you believe what he posted..... is right or wrong and why. ..
.so now......you two......play nice