The Great Questions Thread, where I Question, you Answer according to Scripture [KJB]

[lakeside]

DHK, in my post #53 the word for church is ekklesia, as you stated and which I agree to, so tell me your explanation of the passage of { Matt.18: 15-18 } One thing we do know for certain it does not say bring the brother to the Holy Bible, because the Bible only speaks of the ekklesia as having the final decision on matters of doctrinal teaching, of course Holy Scripture is used but it takes the Ekklesia to decide in matters of the Christian faith and morals.

 

[DHK]

DHK, in my post #53 the word for church is ekklesia, as you stated and which I agree to, so tell me your explanation of the passage of { Matt.18: 15-18 } One thing we do know for certain it does not say bring the brother to the Holy Bible, because the Bible only speaks of the ekklesia as having the final decision on matters of doctrinal teaching, of course Holy Scripture is used but it takes the Ekklesia to decide in matters of the Christian faith and morals.

I already did, here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2221560&postcount=56

Mat 18:17 But if he will not listen to them, tell it to the assembly; and if also he will not listen to the assembly, let him be to thee as one of the nations and a tax-gatherer. (Darby)
--Get a good translation.
The word for church is ekklesia. It means assembly and refers to a local church as is translated here. Jesus was establishing order for a local church, every local assembly. This type of discipline was carried out in the assembly at Corinth in 1Cor.5. It is carried out every time a church member is disciplined. No monstrous organization as the RCC has this ability.
--Let's use a hypothetical situation. Someone is caught in immorality in your local assembly, the actual church you attend. If he doesn't repent after one or two witness (one being the priest), then is he taken right before the Pope? Does the Pope make that decision on every person that needs to be disciplined? No. But he is the head of the "church". Obviously this cannot apply to the RCC, but the RCC makes a mockery of this scripture.

 

[lakeside]

DHK, I never call the Christian Faith as Christian Religion, if you properly read my posts completely ,instead of just enough to find ammo to fire back at me with, you would have noticed that fact.
Still waiting for you to describe the passage found in Matt.18: 15-18, just change the word from church to ekklesia. Like I said before, notice Jesus never tells those early Christians to take their problem brother to the Bible, but He does tell them to bring the problem brother to the ekklesia.

 

[DHK]

DHK, I never call the Christian Faith as Christian Religion, if you properly read my posts completely ,instead of just enough to find ammo to fire back at me with, you would have noticed that fact.
Still waiting for you to describe the passage found in Matt.18: 15-18, just change the word from church to ekklesia. Like I said before, notice Jesus never tells those early Christians to take their problem brother to the Bible, but He does tell them to bring the problem brother to the ekklesia.

I have answered that question twice.
I have explained it twice. What do you not understand about my answer?
The ekklesia is a local church not the monstrosity of the RCC.
Every local church must deal with its own problems, and that is what Christ is teaching. The RCC does not and cannot do this. When a person falls into immorality most of the time they don't even know about it. When a priest falls into immorality, they just switch him to another parish. If it is of a criminal nature they don't even prosecute him most of the time--just sweep it under the rug and hide him in another parish--blatant disregard for the law of the land.
What interest do you have in this passage of scripture when the RCC never practices it?

 

[lakeside]

DHK, Jesus never intended any of His churches to be in disunity of doctrinal teaching as you find in Protestantism. I will show you from your only source for salvation and that would be your Bible Alone man-made system of salvation. On unity - Jesus said - ... One Lord, one faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all. In your Protestant churches you have so many different ,conflicting teachings that it is mind boggling. read Eph 4:3-6 Jesus also spoke in Romans 16:17-18 that He does not want any dissention and difficulties in opposition to the doctrine "which you have been taught " [ the doctrine was already "in place then", them Protestantism in the 16th century tried to introduce a different gospel of doctrine } also 1 Cor 1: 10 agrees and supports that previous verse.You are mistaken, because Jesus "DiD want and still wants His Church to be , as you said; " monstrosity" whole world as in Matt 28:18-20 is a monstrosity of a church, wouldn't you say, or are you going to contradict the Word's of Jesus ?

 

[BobRyan]

DHK, Jesus never intended any of His churches to be in disunity of doctrinal teaching as you find in Protestantism. ?

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Much of the splintering in Protestantism is merely the result of reverting the errors introduced in the dark ages.

 

[BobRyan]

DHK, I never call the Christian Faith as Christian Religion, if you properly read my posts completely ,instead of just enough to find ammo to fire back at me with, you would have noticed that fact.
Still waiting for you to describe the passage found in Matt.18: 15-18, just change the word from church to ekklesia. Like I said before, notice Jesus never tells those early Christians to take their problem brother to the Bible, but He does tell them to bring the problem brother to the ekklesia.

The Protestant argument is not that the Church of God is useless.

The argument is that the RCC introducted false doctrine.

The idea that if the RCC has introduced false doctrine then it must be true that there is no more value, no need for the Church --is not sound.

in Christ,

Bob