Featured John Nelson Darby vs Baptist Confessions of Faith

Let's see the truth of your statements.

Classy here. You call all dispensationalists "Biblically illiterate holding to false doctrine and ignorant of church history, etc. That is so nice of you.

Pretty strong words OR!

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2217816&postcount=78

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2217819&postcount=79

Two entire posts devoted to Darby and "his heresies."

FINALLY, on page 10, you make this post (though there are others still to follow). It is this post that I have been quoting as a Universal Negative

"No one" as in "every one" is "universal" meaning all.
You can't interview "all."
Even if your objection is true: "I just meant everyone on the board," then there are 2,244 members on the board. Did you ask each and every member their eschatological view on the pre-trib rapture?
I think I know the answer to that question.

 

Dhk

Stop adding words to what OR posted in an effort to change what he said. It is dishonest.it is a lie.it is false witness.....stop doing it.


you add blasphemous. .....you add all dispensationalist. .....he did not say that.....you are lying.....you have done it to me....you have done it to OR.....rippon....bosley.....con 1 ....AA....and many others....

stop it......no other moderator does this.....you are not being amoderator but a censor.....you should step down from that position if you cannot stop yourself from abusing it.

 

It appears this thread is off track as usual.

 

It is hard to stay on track when DHK adds words to peoples posts that force responses to correct this.....no other mod does this......

 

I gave the post #. When something is in quotes it means his exact words are quoted. So why are you saying that I am lying?

 

Let me show you.....

here was the "quote from OR"....then you comment where you add to his words-

OR no where used the words ALL Dispensationalists....no where here....

There are persons who could be said to be biblically illiterate....that is a true statement.....some of them could be biblically illiterate and dispensational also, that is a true statement.

He did not say......ALL Dispys.....he did not say it.....He is a big boy, he could say it but he did not.....
For you to twist His words is dishonest and a lie.

You might "think" or "speculate" what you think he might be saying...but he himself did not do it.....SO IT BECOMES A MATTER OF TRUTH NOW.


He and others offer correction which you trample over...like here OR says;

That is why what you do everyday is dishonest and should stop....

 

He does not want a real explanation...he is trying to misrepresent you as he did to me earlier...McCree caught him then...we all see it now

:applause::applause::applause::thumbsup:

 

They were hardly Biblically illiterate. They were some of the most educated minds of the time that educated the people of that era. Why not learn something positive of the Bible before condemning it all the time.
From Beale's "In Pursuit of Purity," chapter four,

 

Those you are talking about "the Holy Spirit led those who dissented from Roman Catholicism to erroneously interpret Scripture for 1800 years"
The Waldenses and other groups who were persecuted for their faith in most cases looked for Christ return for the church prior to the rapture. I need to dig my notes out from my college courses on their history. From Church History 1 and 2 as well as Baptist History 1 and 2. To really delve into those groups.

Baptist History 2 "Dr. Lovelace takes the student on a whirlwind tour of groups that have held Baptistic principles throughout the ages, such as: The Way, Christians, Novatians, Donatists, Paulicians and Waldenses."

While they didn't fully hold some of the doctrines we do today these groups came through the 1st century till the ana-baptist formed and we studied that group too.

Which brings us to your next point, "the problem it is Biblically illiterate people who buy his false doctrine! I should also include those who are ignorant of the history of the Church and the struggle of dissenters from Rome to be obedient to the teachings of Scripture."

Just because you feel anyone who holds the pre-trib view is illiterate of church History doesn't mean they are. I have had extensive studies and I have studied the early church and I still find that these groups believed in the return of Christ for His church before the tribulation and they believed it was to be literal. Have you studied these groups? Have you studied the guys I listed their writings on? Evidently not you didn't recognize their writing.

 

Here it is called "gross heresy," and those who believe in it, "seduced."
Perhaps it was in another thread you called it blasphemous. Anyway, this is bad enough, don't you think?

 

DHK......he has a right to express what he believes as much as you do to us about God's grace.....no one is forcing you to believe what he or I or anyone else believes:thumbsup:

The problem is when we answer you and you do not agree, you change what we say, try and bait us, then give out infractions.....

if you are that into the issues discussed then let other moderators handle these threads because you are abusing your position.

NTHER MODERATOR DOES THIS.....

When do you see any other moderator mentioned???

 

You have expressed this same view before. I have told you that every person has to abide by the rules. Do you think that freedom of speech or "expressing one's view includes profanity and taking the Lord's name in vain? Really Icon?
There is no total freedom of speech anywhere on earth, not even in this nation, and especially on this board.
He is never at liberty to call anyone on this board a heretic. Neither are you.

He is not at liberty to say things like this when it speaks of the beliefs of about half the posters here.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2218799&postcount=55
Dispensationalism is not a blasphemous doctrine.

The rules are posted on every page. Read them if you have to.
It seems that you have forgotten them.

 

Now you are back tracking. Or at least it is hypocritical double-speak.
First, no one here has admitted to believing "a parenthesis Church" of which you accuse us all of believing.
And then you accuse us all, not only of believing it but believing a blasphemous doctrine.
That is very kind of you. It is even worse then first posted.

 

You never addressed the issue of you adding words to the posts to change the meanings. I did not think you would but I wanted to give you the opportunity.

No one is speaking of free speech or whatever smokescreen you offer.
It is about what has been posted.
I will let the readers see it for themselves.

 

I noticed in reading some of those that you quoted, that Walvoord said:
"one's ecclesiology determine's one's eschatology." Since that is from memory it may be off a bit. However, since you don't know my ecclesiology you cannot know my eschatology. The one does affect the other. I can believe in a pre-trib rapture without believing in your "parenthesis Church." And there is no need to call it blasphemy. Perhaps you should look that word up in the dictionary. I don't think you know what it means.

I am not inventing anything. I made direct quotes. You should be ashamed of the things that you have said. Period!

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you know what a "quote" function is Icon?
Do you know how to use it?
I used it. I did not add anything.