Wrestling Scriptures ( Joshua 10:26)

[vooks]

In any case, in Deuteronomy 21:23 (as in Joshua 10:27) it not only was 'ereb', but "STAY not ALL NIGHT" -- 'leen' / 'loon', "STAY OVERNIGHT" : "lodge" like "Adam LODGED not one day" because NEXT MORNING God cast him out of Eden "in the East with flaming sword" of the "WORD OF GOD" cf. Hebrews 4: 12.

You would do well to school Jews on their language:laugh:
Walk them through ereb and how they fatally misinterpreted it starting with Joshua
http://98.131.138.124/articles/JME/JMEB2/JMEB2.36.asp
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9985#showrashi=true
http://www.jewish-funeral-guide.com/tradition/jewish-burial-society.htm
What sense is there in killing a thief at noon, going to bed only to wake up just BEFORE dawn to remove them from the tree? Since they never had alarm clocks, I can see the Jews sleeping in turns of say one watch just to comply with this rule. You are clearly insulting God's wisdom, you are blaspheming in imputing your nonsensical bias here

And stop competing with Holy Spirit for inspiration. You are not equal to the task

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It's quite simple; don't leave bodies hanging OVERNIGHT. Not, don't hang them bodies for 11 hours of the night and remove them just before dawn:

Joshua understood this and so all his kills were hanged till sunset
Jews followed this closely because they understood it perfectly. The only difference between a Jewish crucifixion and Romn was the Jews never suffered bodies to hang overnight. Do yourself a favor and study some history for a change

You are forcing your illogical bias into Joshua, instead of killing and hanging then till evening, you FORCE him to kill and hang them in the evening and remove them at dawn. Why so? Because this clearly blows out of water your Thursday crucifixion-Friday burial nonsense. You would have Jesus on the cross for over 12 hours just to 'fit' into your theories

It's quite simple: as WRITTEN: “Don't leave bodies hanging OVERNIGHT! Remove them just before dawn!”

That is what IS written, friend. Just so, in Hebrew AND in English. See KJV; RSV; Modern Language; Living Bible.

Why, it says “remove when it is getting light and the next daylight, BURY!”

Joshua understood this and so all his kills were hanged BEFORE sunset.

Whether the Jews followed this closely or understood it is of no concern and irrelevant.

Jesus’ crucifixion was a Roman crucifixion. One doesn’t need much study of history to know this.

You are forcing your illogical bias onto Joshua, and make him kill and hang the victim before sunset, to virtually immediately before sunset remove him again! What sense is in that?

Jesus was crucified in the morning already, in any case.

I do not say Joshua had <<<to kill and hang them in the __evening__>>> : AGAIN, NO!

And it’s not me, but the Scripture, which says he had to <<<remove them at dawn>>>.

Why so? Because this clearly was what happened with Jesus on “THAT DAY BONE-DAY” of his DEATH AS WELL AS BURIAL “THE NEXT DAY”, “THAT DAY BONE-DAY” --- <<<Thursday crucifixion-Friday burial>>> Bible Truth.

So yes, <<<Jesus on the cross for over 12 hours>>> or so it was. From 9 a.m. until plus minus 7 p.m. = 10 to 11 hours. I must have your brains to have worked it out very nearly the same.

Plus, we needed the Scripture of course where it states that Joseph began to undertake “after these things” which the Jews and Pilate discussed from “when already evening had come” until the Jews had left so that Joseph could enter and ask Pilate for Jesus’ body.

Jesus had to 'fit' into the Passover of Yahweh “Scriptures”, “the God-given and therefore eschatological imperative WHOLE AND WHOLENESS” of the “three days” : “on the third day” of which He would rise from the dead again, “ON THE SEVENTH DAY THE LORD RESTED AND REVIVED.”.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You would do well to school Jews on their language:laugh:
Walk them through ereb and how they fatally misinterpreted it starting with Joshua
http://98.131.138.124/articles/JME/JMEB2/JMEB2.36.asp
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9985#showrashi=true
http://www.jewish-funeral-guide.com/tradition/jewish-burial-society.htm
What sense is there in killing a thief at noon, going to bed only to wake up just BEFORE dawn to remove them from the tree? Since they never had alarm clocks, I can see the Jews sleeping in turns of say one watch just to comply with this rule. You are clearly insulting God's wisdom, you are blaspheming in imputing your nonsensical bias here

And stop competing with Holy Spirit for inspiration. You are not equal to the task

I always [CUT] laziness like this,

<<<http://98.131.138.124/articles/JME/JMEB2/JMEB2.36.asp
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9985#showrashi=true
http://www.jewish-funeral-guide.com/tradition/jewish-burial-society.htm>>>,

so that it looks like this, after :

<<<... Walk them through ereb and how they fatally misinterpreted it starting with Joshua
[Cut]
What sense is there in killing a thief at noon, going to bed only to wake up just BEFORE dawn to remove them from the tree? Since ...>>>

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Hopelessly incoherent as usual. They crucified Jesus around 1200H, he died around 1500H. Now, please and intelligently demonstrate that Joseph of Arimathea took the body off the cross the following morning

I do not say:

<<<They crucified Jesus around 1200H, >>>

YOU said it ---here!, Now!

I do not say <<<Joseph of Arimathea took the body off the cross the following morning>>>.

YOU said it ---here!, Now! You LIED it ---here!, Now!

 

[vooks]

It's quite simple: as WRITTEN: “Don't leave bodies hanging OVERNIGHT! Remove them just before dawn!”

That is what IS written, friend. Just so, in Hebrew AND in English. See KJV; RSV; Modern Language; Living Bible.

Which MEANS remove the bodies by DUSK

Why, it says “remove when it is getting light and the next daylight, BURY!”

Start thinking. A body that spend the whole night hanging and is removed at dawn hanged OVERNIGHT

Joshua understood this and so all his kills were hanged BEFORE sunset.

Nope. He understood this so he hanged them TILL evening

Whether the Jews followed this closely or understood it is of no concern and irrelevant.

It is very relevant because it best illustrates the vanity of your hallucintions:laugh:
Show me ANY Jew in the entire history who suffered a body to hang till dawn. Thanks

Jesus’ crucifixion was a Roman crucifixion. One doesn’t need much study of history to know this.

That's irrelevant. Nobody said it was. I said Jews would not suffer bodies hanging overnight. Romans couldn't care

Jesus was crucified in the morning already, in any case.

Wake up bro, Jesus was crucified at noon. In any case it is his burial we are looking at not his death. You claim he hanged overnight...that's a lie from hell

I do not say Joshua had <<<to kill and hang them in the __evening__>>> : AGAIN, NO!

Therefore in the case of Joshua 10:26,27, instead of to translate, "... and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening [ereb]”, rather translate, "... and they hanged them upon the trees while the sun was setting[ereb].
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/html/Buried Before Sunset.htm

Did your alter pen this?

And it’s not me, but the Scripture, which says he had to <<<remove them at dawn>>>.

Why so? Because this clearly was what happened with Jesus on “THAT DAY BONE-DAY” of his DEATH AS WELL AS BURIAL “THE NEXT DAY”, “THAT DAY BONE-DAY” --- <<<Thursday crucifixion-Friday burial>>> Bible Truth.

So yes, <<<Jesus on the cross for over 12 hours>>> or so it was. From 9 a.m. until plus minus 7 p.m. = 10 to 11 hours. I must have your brains to have worked it out very nearly the same.

Plus, we needed the Scripture of course where it states that Joseph began to undertake “after these things” which the Jews and Pilate discussed from “when already evening had come” until the Jews had left so that Joseph could enter and ask Pilate for Jesus’ body.

Jesus had to 'fit' into the Passover of Yahweh “Scriptures”, “the God-given and therefore eschatological imperative WHOLE AND WHOLENESS” of the “three days” : “on the third day” of which He would rise from the dead again, “ON THE SEVENTH DAY THE LORD RESTED AND REVIVED.”.

Stop dreaming. Evening does not automatically mean next day. In any case, they never had Rolex back then. Repeat: EVENING is not NEXT DAY

Proof
Mark 4:35 (KJV)
And the same day, when the even was come, he saith unto them, Let us pass over unto the other side

 

[PreachTony]

For the record, vooks, according to Mark 15:25 Jesus was crucified around 9:00am or thereabouts. There was darkness upon the face of the earth from the sixth hour (noon) to the ninth hour (3:00pm). Jesus gave up the ghost at 3:00pm. It was around this time, or shortly after, that the legs of the thieves were broken, causing their deaths to come faster, so that their bodies would not be left on the cross on the sabbath.

25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.
27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.
36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.
37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

 

[vooks]

For the record, vooks, according to Mark 15:25 Jesus was crucified around 9:00am or thereabouts. There was darkness upon the face of the earth from the sixth hour (noon) to the ninth hour (3:00pm). Jesus gave up the ghost at 3:00pm. It was around this time, or shortly after, that the legs of the thieves were broken, causing their deaths to come faster, so that their bodies would not be left on the cross on the sabbath.

Thank you sir for the correction. I humbly accept I was wrong in posting that Jesus was crucified at noon.

Somebody claims Jesus remained on the tree/cross till the next morning or JUST before dawn. That is clearly nonsensical and without precedent nowhere in scriptures nor history. Not even Apocrypha can manufacture such nonsense.

Just imagine hanging a man and then staying awake so that you remove them JUST BEFORE dawn because the Law tells you MORNING must not find the bodies hanging.

Do you agree that a body that hangs till 0545H hanged ALL NIGHT?

 

[PreachTony]

Thank you sir for the correction. I humbly accept I was wrong in posting that Jesus was crucified at noon.

No worries. :thumbsup:

Somebody claims Jesus remained on the tree/cross till the next morning or JUST before dawn. That is clearly nonsensical and without precedent nowhere in scriptures nor history. Not even Apocrypha can manufacture such nonsense.

Just imagine hanging a man and then staying awake so that you remove them JUST BEFORE dawn because the Law tells you MORNING must not find the bodies hanging.

Do you agree that a body that hangs till 0545H hanged ALL NIGHT?

I believe the bodies came off the cross that same day, probably in the immediate aftermath of their deaths.

I wonder too if the Romans would have left them up all night. Rome had a tendency in many cases to conquer a region and allow their laws and customs to remain so as not to cause unrest. They might have respected Jewish tradition and taken them down so as not to upset the law. It's something to consider.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I believe the bodies came off the cross that same day, probably in the immediate aftermath of their deaths.

I wonder too if the Romans would have left them up all night. Rome had a tendency in many cases to conquer a region and allow their laws and customs to remain so as not to cause unrest. They might have respected Jewish tradition and taken them down so as not to upset the law. It's something to consider.

Pure surmising contrary every GIVEN in the Gospels!

If it were as you claim, the Jews needed not to worry to get the bodies taken away “because that day was (their) great day sabbath of” ---their passover!

Pilate washed his hands as final indication for to have the Jews have their own way, but EXACTLY as he ordered: he “delivered” Jesus, “TO BE CRUCIFIED”. He refused to have the inscription above Jesus’ head changed in any way: The Scandal had to be BROADCAST: “Here hangs the King of the Jews” --- in three languages. NOTHING but nothing was going to change Pilate's mind IF IT DEPENDED ON ROMAN <tendency>.

But the PROVIDENCE OF GOD and the Prophets and Law, would!
And THIS is the story RECORDED, which no man before or after could change one word of. “The bodies because the Preparation had begun … it having had been EVENING already … because THAT DAY (The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath) was great-day-sabbath-of (the PASSOVER) : SHOULD not remain on the crosses”! That was at that point in time of “NIGHT” still to be.

But you <<<believe the bodies came off the cross that same day [they were crucified], probably in the immediate aftermath of their deaths>>> WHATEVER THE SCRIPTURES SAY!

…sanctimoniousness…

 

[vooks]

Pure surmising contrary every GIVEN in the Gospels!

If it were as you claim, the Jews needed not to worry to get the bodies taken away “because that day was (their) great day sabbath of” ---their passover!

Pilate washed his hands as final indication for to have the Jews have their own way, but EXACTLY as he ordered: he “delivered” Jesus, “TO BE CRUCIFIED”. He refused to have the inscription above Jesus’ head changed in any way: The Scandal had to be BROADCAST: “Here hangs the King of the Jews” --- in three languages. NOTHING but nothing was going to change Pilate's mind IF IT DEPENDED ON ROMAN <tendency>.

But the PROVIDENCE OF GOD and the Prophets and Law, would!
And THIS is the story RECORDED, which no man before or after could change one word of. “The bodies because the Preparation had begun … it having had been EVENING already … because THAT DAY (The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath) was great-day-sabbath-of (the PASSOVER) : SHOULD not remain on the crosses”! That was at that point in time of “NIGHT” still to be.

But you <<<believe the bodies came off the cross that same day [they were crucified], probably in the immediate aftermath of their deaths>>> WHATEVER THE SCRIPTURES SAY!

…sanctimoniousness…

It takes wild hallucinations like Joseph Smith to fabricate history and present it as facts.

Evening marks the beginning of a day but it does not necessarily mean a day is past. And I gave you scriptures which you willfully ignored:tonofbricks:

Here is another bone
Acts 23:23-24,31-32 (KJV)
And he called unto him two centurions, saying, Make ready two hundred soldiers to go to Caesarea, and horsemen threescore and ten, and spearmen two hundred, at the third hour of the night; 24 And provide them beasts, that they may set Paul on, and bring him safe unto Felix the governor

31 Then the soldiers, as it was commanded them, took Paul, and brought him by night to Antipatris. 32 On the morrow they left the horsemen to go with him, and returned to the castle

1.The soldier leave Jerusalem for Antipatris at 2100H (or 0300H) for a 35miles journey, and they arrived while it was STILL dark.
2. They left the NEXT DAY

Food for thought. Supposing they left Jerusalem on Monday 2100H, when did they leave Antipatris for Jerusalem?
A. Monday
B. Tuesday
C. Wednesday

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Thank you sir for the correction. I humbly accept I was wrong in posting that Jesus was crucified at noon.

Somebody claims Jesus remained on the tree/cross till the next morning or JUST before dawn. That is clearly nonsensical and without precedent nowhere in scriptures nor history. Not even Apocrypha can manufacture such nonsense.

Just imagine hanging a man and then staying awake so that you remove them JUST BEFORE dawn because the Law tells you MORNING must not find the bodies hanging.

Do you agree that a body that hangs till 0545H hanged ALL NIGHT?

Who is your <someone>?
Afraid to say?

I am that <someone>; and I am telling you, that you LIE, having written here that I <claimed> that <<<Jesus remained on the tree/cross till the next morning or JUST before dawn.>>>

Quote me! You are lying!

But you are supposing 100 % CORRECT about the LAW, that it required one hanged the day before, that his body must be <<<remove(d)>>> <<<BEFORE dawn because the Law tells you MORNING must not find the bodies hanging.>>> THAT, is right, yes!

Therefore, according to you, that is how <<clearly nonsensical>> and <<manufacture(d) nonsense>> the Law of God is.

Man, you are so unambiguously clear!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Gerhard Ebersoehn View Post
It's quite simple: as WRITTEN: “Don't leave bodies hanging OVERNIGHT! Remove them just before dawn!”

That is what IS written, friend. Just so, in Hebrew AND in English. See KJV; RSV; Modern Language; Living Bible.

Which MEANS remove the bodies by DUSK

Yes: <<DUSK>> being after sunset "being the evening already". Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 ---<DUSK> therefore BEING THE FOLLOWING DAY.

 

[vooks]

Who is your <someone>?
Afraid to say?

I am that <someone>; and I am telling you, that you LIE, having written here that I <claimed> that <<<Jesus remained on the tree/cross till the next morning or JUST before dawn.>>>

Quote me! You are lying!

Indeed, just so, Joseph was obeying Yahweh's commandment. Jesus’ body had to be buried the day after they hanged Him - in fact after the night in which the body “remained on the tree”. There is absolutely no possibility or implication the body of Jesus could have been removed from the tree “before sunset” of the day before - not before “all night” of the day that afterwards did begin - He “shall not remain all night”, but “before the sun had risen” shall be taken “down off the tree”, and “that (same) day” be buried.

This must have been penned by you alter
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/html/Buried Before Sunset.htm

But you are supposing 100 % CORRECT about the LAW, that it required one hanged the day before, that his body must be <<<remove(d)>>> <<<BEFORE dawn because the Law tells you MORNING must not find the bodies hanging.>>> THAT, is right, yes!

Wrong. Bodies MUST be removed BY dusk as evident from Joshua and ALL JJewish history attests to this

Therefore, according to you, that is how <<clearly nonsensical>> and <<manufacture(d) nonsense>> the Law of God is.

Man, you are so unambiguously clear!

The nonsense is the theory of ancient Israel waking up at 0555H just before the break of dawn to keep a law. It's plain silly

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quote:
Why, it says “remove when it is getting light and the next daylight, BURY!”
Start thinking.


Start thinking. A body that spend the whole night hanging and is removed at dawn hanged OVERNIGHT


Nope. He understood this so he hanged them TILL evening


It is very relevant because it best illustrates the vanity of your hallucintions:laugh:
Show me ANY Jew in the entire history who suffered a body to hang till dawn. Thanks

Joshua 10:27; 8:29 Deuteronomy 21:23
---<<till dawn>> and longer, 2Samuel 21:9,10!
---for two days, Esther 9:25,27!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Which MEANS remove the bodies by DUSK


Start thinking. A body that spend the whole night hanging and is removed at dawn hanged OVERNIGHT


Nope. He understood this so he hanged them TILL evening


It is very relevant because it best illustrates the vanity of your hallucintions:laugh:
Show me ANY Jew in the entire history who suffered a body to hang till dawn. Thanks


That's irrelevant. Nobody said it was. I said Jews would not suffer bodies hanging overnight. Romans couldn't care


Wake up bro, Jesus was crucified at noon. In any case it is his burial we are looking at not his death. You claim he hanged overnight...that's a lie from hell



Therefore in the case of Joshua 10:26,27, instead of to translate, "... and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening [ereb]”, rather translate, "... and they hanged them upon the trees while the sun was setting[ereb].
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/html/Buried Before Sunset.htm

Did your alter pen this?



Stop dreaming. Evening does not automatically mean next day. In any case, they never had Rolex back then. Repeat: EVENING is not NEXT DAY

Proof
Mark 4:35 (KJV)
And the same day, when the even was come, he saith unto them, Let us pass over unto the other side

Uninprovable auto comment.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The nonsense is the theory of ancient Israel waking up at 0555H just before the break of dawn to keep a law. It's plain silly

It is of course YOUR 'time-setting', strangely, more or less correct. Nothing <silly> about. That's just YOUR feeling.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quote:
Indeed, just so, Joseph was obeying Yahweh's commandment. Jesus’ body had to be buried the day after they hanged Him - in fact after the night in which the body “remained on the tree”. There is absolutely no possibility or implication the body of Jesus could have been removed from the tree “before sunset” of the day before - not before “all night” of the day that afterwards did begin - He “shall not remain all night”, but “before the sun had risen” shall be taken “down off the tree”, and “that (same) day” be buried.

This must have been penned by you alter
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/html/Buried Before Sunset.htm

So?

Your dyslexia again?

 

[vooks]

Yes: <<DUSK>> being after sunset "being the evening already". Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 ---<DUSK> therefore BEING THE FOLLOWING DAY.

Get serious. You joke too much
Mark 4:35 (KJV)
And the same day when the even was come, ,he saith unto them, Let us pass over unto the other side

'SAME DAY'
'EVEN WAS COME'
Wanna lecture Mark on Greek?

 

[vooks]

So?

You fantasize about Jesus remaining on the cross till dawn, aks for proof, and then wonder what to do with it

Your dyslexia again?

Memory lapses on your end. Did you not aks for proof?

 

[vooks]

Joshua 10:27; 8:29 Deuteronomy 21:23
---<<till dawn>> and longer, 2Samuel 21:9,10!
---for two days, Esther 9:25,27!

The head should do more than carrying ears
Joshua 8:29 (KJV)
And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcase down from the tree

A body that hanged on the tree overnight did not hang UNTIL EVENTIDE

Joshua 10:27 (KJV)
And it came to pass at the time of the going down of the sun, that Joshua commanded, and they took them down off the trees,
What has the going down of the sun got to do with it? Tell us instead they removed it at sunrise?

Don't be like One Baptism, quoting verses for the sake