Discerning the Kingdom of Light vs the Kingdom of Darkness

[PreachTony]

How do you know that they were mythical creatures?

You think there were actual unicorns? Horses with a single horn growing out of their heads?

 

[Calypsis4]

Darrell C; Well, you will find that some, since they are not really sure about what it is they believe, take offense when someone presumes to think he does, lol.

Got you.:thumbsup:

Best to keep it doctrinal, and you will see the peanut gallery will eventually run back into the bushes.

"peanut gallery". Ha, ha, ha, ha. that's a good one. But they aren't fooling me. They keep coming back making snide little remarks but their curiosity won't let them stop looking.......and........they are privately wondering, "Could this guy be telling the truth?"

Thanks for the tip, I may check those out as a new campaign effort. Many atheists there (primarily Evolution Fairytale Forum)? That name is a goad to be sure to evolutionists, theistic or no.

It's a much smaller board there but there are some extremely knowledgeable creationists there who can handle any evolutionist on any level. It has been my favorite hunting grounds for years.

It is a pleasure to read your posts even when I disagree a little. Best wishes.

 

[Darrell C]

In order to have a body he must possess it.
In the NT he entered into Judas and then used Judas for his own devious means.
In the future he will enter into that man who will be the Antichrist.

The man in the Gadarenes was called "Legion" for he had many demons (Mark 5:9).
When Jesus cast the demons out they went into a nearby heard of swine. The swine went mad and ran headlong off of a cliff. Mark 9:13 says that the number of swine were 2,000. There could have been as many as 2,000 demons. Robertson says that a full legion of soldiers is about 6,000. Either way it was a lot of demons that inhabited that man, and then went and inhabited those swine.

Another incident is seen here:


Genesis 3:1

King James Version (KJV)

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


Revelation 12:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Revelation 20

King James Version (KJV)

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,



John 8:44

King James Version (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



But the bottom line would be that Satan is a spirit, just like any other Angel, fallen or no. That they can become physical and interact with the world would seem a reasonable conclusion:


Hebrews 1:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?



Hebrews 13:2

King James Version (KJV)

2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.



God bless.

 

[Calypsis4]

You think there were actual unicorns? Horses with a single horn growing out of their heads?

I don't know for sure what they looked like. But there is a reason why all the coat-of-arms of European nobility has for centuries depicted white horned horses along with other animals no one questions are real.

So what's with the gif? Is that supposed to tell me something?

 

[Darrell C]

Got you.:thumbsup:


"peanut gallery". Ha, ha, ha, ha. that's a good one. But they aren't fooling me. They keep coming back making snide little remarks but their curiosity won't let them stop looking.......and........they are privately wondering, "Could this guy be telling the truth?"



It's a much smaller board there but there are some extremely knowledgeable creationists there who can handle any evolutionist on any level. It has been my favorite hunting grounds for years.

It is a pleasure to read your posts even when I disagree a little. Best wishes.

Well, it is going to happen we are going to disagree about some things. One might be that while the KJV is my favorite version and without doubt nothing but respect should be given the translators, I also consider the efforts of other translations to be worthy efforts.

For example, the NIV 1984 as well as the new version hold, I think, the best translation of this verse:


John 1:18

New International Version (NIV)

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[a] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.


Footnotes:
a.John 1:18 Some manuscripts but the only Son, who


Another reason I use the KJV is that there are many of the KJVonlyists that would disregard anything said if another version was used, whereas most accept the KJV, so it is a better choice when frequenting forums.

I am just about done here for this trip, and actually stayed longer than I intended, but I am going to check out Evolution Fairytales Forum for sure. I will be using a different name so I will see if you can recognize me when I get there, Lord willing.

I love debating Evolution, though the downside is often it involves extra-biblical issues, those can be fun, and educating as well.

And I think I have outstayed myself, at least for one day, so hope you and everyone here has a blessed Lord's Day tomorrow.


God bless.

 

[PreachTony]

I described to you in some details what I and my fellow counselors have experienced and you don't accept that either.

You are the only person I have ever heard some of this from. The things you describe sound like something from either TV or from Stephen King. You are describing demonic acts that are extremely public and visual. Everything I've ever read in the scriptures about Satan reveal him to be a very subtle, very sly being. He acts often in secret, beguiling people. You've turned him into a Saturday night horror movie monster that deforms people on a lark.

I've known preachers, deacons, teachers, missionaries, and counselors all my life. Never have any of them made any of the claims that you are making. Are we fighting a different Satan than you claim to be?

 

[PreachTony]

I don't know for sure what they looked like. But there is a reason why all the coat-of-arms of European nobility has for centuries depicted white horned horses along with other animals no one questions are real.

Many European coats of arms contain Griffins. Were they real?

So what's with the gif? Is that supposed to tell me something?

The gif is meant to express the speechlessness I'm sometimes experiencing reading your comments.

 

[InTheLight]

I gave you scripture and you deliberately twisted it and you dissed the classic definition from Strongs. I described to you in some details what I and my fellow counselors have experienced and you don't accept that either.

So why continue to discuss things with someone who rationalizes away the truth no matter what? Why waste all the time and effort to persuade anyone who only wishes to deny a reality they don't like?

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?John 6:70

You gave me Isaiah 13:21 and a picture of a centaur and claimed it was a demon that had taken on bodily form. I contend that verse refers to goats. I have the backing of Bible language scholars that worked as translators on a half dozen translations. You provided Strong's concordance as your reference (which isn't held in high regard by scholars, BTW). I showed you a different source showing satyr meant hairy goat, or possibly a demon possessed goat.

See here:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8163&t=KJV


You then said that Satan had transformed from a spirit to bodily form, "when he tempted Jesus." I asked for a verse and you have not provided one.

I asked you if you saw a demon in bodily form when you witnessed a woman being raped and you have not answered.

 

[Darrell C]

You are the only person I have ever heard some of this from. The things you describe sound like something from either TV or from Stephen King. You are describing demonic acts that are extremely public and visual. Everything I've ever read in the scriptures about Satan reveal him to be a very subtle, very sly being. He acts often in secret, beguiling people. You've turned him into a Saturday night horror movie monster that deforms people on a lark.

I've known preachers, deacons, teachers, missionaries, and counselors all my life. Never have any of them made any of the claims that you are making. Are we fighting a different Satan than you claim to be?

My own Pastor relayed a story about a ten year old girl, about 100 lbs soaking wet, throwing a 200 lb man across a room.

MacArthur tells of an incident in which he was called in to exorcise a demon possessed woman and when he entered the room the woman began screaming, "No, not him! Get him out!"

He says his first instinct was "Fine, I'm not wanted here..." lol, but said he was glad, despite the woman kicking him in the shins, that the demon knew which side he was on.

There is a reason, I feel, that events like these are not widespread news: it would interfere in one of Satan's greatest ploys...to convince people he is not real.

Atheists demand a video, a picture, some tangible empirical evidence that demons are not simply euphemisms for medical maladies.

Do we? As students of Scripture?

I may not believe everything I hear, but that demons are real and that they do indeed oppress and posses is something I have doubts in whatsoever.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

You provided Strong's concordance as your reference (which isn't held in high regard by scholars, BTW).

Would you mind giving a list of those scholars?


God bless.

 

[Calypsis4]

Would you mind giving a list of those scholars?


God bless.

Strongs Exhaustive Concordance has been a classic source of defintional information for 125 years, first published in 1890.

He is questioning its' validity because he doesn't like the fact that his arguments were shot down, not just by scripture but by that which reinforces the meaning and definitional intent of scripture. I am not at all surprised at this

 

[Darrell C]

Strongs Exhaustive Concordance has been a classic source of defintional information for 125 years, first published in 1890.

He is questioning its' validity because he doesn't like the fact that his arguments were shot down, not just by scripture but by that which reinforces the meaning and definitional intent of scripture. I am not at all surprised at this

Yeah, I know, lol.

Think he has me on ignore anyway, which means I can say whatever I want and not have to worry about a response.

I told you, stick to your guns and they'll slink back into the bushes...




God bless.

 

[InTheLight]

Strongs Exhaustive Concordance has been a classic source of defintional information for 125 years, first published in 1890.

He is questioning its' validity because he doesn't like the fact that his arguments were shot down, not just by scripture but by that which reinforces the meaning and definitional intent of scripture. I am not at all surprised at this

My arguments have not been "shot down". You've not even addressed two of my points. You did not comment on my link showing satyr means goat or possibly demon possessed goat.

As far as Strong's concordance's integrity, several Greek scholars on BB have said it's not the best, in fact, several have said it's the last thing they'd consult.

 

[Darrell C]

My arguments have not been "shot down". You've not even addressed two of my points. You did not comment on my link showing satyr means goat or possibly demon possessed goat.

As far as Strong's concordance's integrity, several Greek scholars on BB have said it's not the best, in fact, several have said it's the last thing they'd consult.

So we have gone from "Scholars" to "several Greek Scholars," eh?

List please.


God bless.

 

[PreachTony]

Atheists demand a video, a picture, some tangible empirical evidence that demons are not simply euphemisms for medical maladies.

Do we? As students of Scripture?

I may not believe everything I hear, but that demons are real and that they do indeed oppress and posses is something I have doubts in whatsoever.

Likewise, I agree that demons are real. Scripture proves as much. But our friend Calypsis seems to be getting to see things on a much higher level than anyone else. There's a big difference in a small girl throwing a larger person across a room and two people's faces escaping the laws of gravity and trying to merge together.

I don't hold to MacArthur. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but his stances don't sit well with me.

 

[Calypsis4]

So we have gone from "Scholars" to "several Greek Scholars," eh?

List please.

God bless.

He didn't name them yet either.

 

[InTheLight]

He didn't name them yet either.

You haven't given me a verse where Satan changed from a spirit being to bodily form. You haven't answered my question about the demon that raped having a body.

If you want to know the knowledgeable men on BB that have disdain for Strong's, just do a search.

 

[Darrell C]

Likewise, I agree that demons are real. Scripture proves as much. But our friend Calypsis seems to be getting to see things on a much higher level than anyone else. There's a big difference in a small girl throwing a larger person across a room and two people's faces escaping the laws of gravity and trying to merge together.

I wouldn't know about that, all I can say is it is not my place to question what someone testifies of. I don't believe everything I hear, but, neither do I dismiss everything either.

And I do not see that there is much of a difference between the laws of gravity and physical capability being defied in a girl having strength beyond normal means and faces contorting, lol. Merging together? Dunno. I do know that physical issues take place in demon possession.

I don't hold to MacArthur. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but his stances don't sit well with me.

While I am not in agreement with John on everything (and some of those are huge, you might say), I do count him as one of the best teachers available today.

The man does his homework, something that cannot be said for many, if not most preachers these days.

You might check out some messages on GTY.ORG.

Is there a particular "stance" you disagree with? That causes you not to "hold to" him?


God bless.

 

[Calypsis4]

PreachTony; You are the only person I have ever heard some of this from. The things you describe sound like something from either TV or from Stephen King. You are describing demonic acts that are extremely public and visual. Everything I've ever read in the scriptures about Satan reveal him to be a very subtle, very sly being. He acts often in secret, beguiling people. You've turned him into a Saturday night horror movie monster that deforms people on a lark.

What a pack of nonsense. Apparently you are so afraid of what I have described that you have to trivialize it to make yourself feel more comfortable about such things.

I've known preachers, deacons, teachers, missionaries, and counselors all my life. Never have any of them made any of the claims that you are making. Are we fighting a different Satan than you claim to be?

It will be embarrassing before the Judgment Seat of Christ when you learn to your dismay that all that I said was and is the truth.

So if you don't like it you have the option of not reading me. So why are you still here on this thread?

 

[Darrell C]

He didn't name them yet either.

I'd be very curious as to what Scholars take this position.

Bart Ehrman, maybe?


God bless.