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The way things are going w/ Dispensationalism and eschatology...
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These things run in spurts unlike calvinism debates.
Most Forums have a section devoted to Eschatology, and there is good reason for that.
God bless.
Isn't it interesting that a lot of Christians get so heated about different interpretations of Revelation while not giving as much interest to the other 65 books of the Bible?... That is my observation and I'm guilty too!... The Bigger picture of redemption is whole Bible OT/NT not just one book!... Brother Glen
There is always a reason when something is controversial, it usually means that the subject is something important.
And if you think about it, it is usually the genuine article that takes the most fire.
I use to think that the Doctrine of the Rapture was not very important, but I no longer look at it that way. Study of resurrection and regeneration has led me to believe that it is a very important issue and that our eschatology impacts our soteriology dramatically.
I have to confess that while I like to think I have a fairly broad range, there are a few Books I do not care for. First on the list would be Song of Solomon and Ecclesiastes. It absolutely drives me batty when someone pops up and say "All is vanity! Says so right there in Scripture!" lol
I just don't think Solomon meant for anyone to be going around making everything seem to be meaningless, lol. And there is just a little bit of pessimism and "woe-is-me" in it, and quite frankly I think Solomon was actually a bit of a sniveler. Of course, it may be that this was written in the throes of his sin, seeing that he seemed a little self indulgent at times.
But for the most part, it is important to have a broader range, and while I encourage everyone I can to get interested in eschatology, it is equally important we don't neglect other matters as well. And the big test is putting into practice what we learn. And that is the hard part, at least for me.
God bless.
Well you have to get to the end of Ecc. to get his thesis if you will so that's why I think so many people miss the point and just think it is saying everything this meaningless.
About the rapture I think the importance of a correct view are coming out on another thread where it seems the argument is being made that Christ did not finish His redemptive work on the cross but that there is still payment to be made by both the earth itself and the people alive during the tribulation. That is a huge problem that goes to the heart of the Gospel and not just eschatology.
About the rapture I think the importance of a correct view are coming out on another thread where it seems the argument is being made that Christ did not finish His redemptive work on the cross but that there is still payment to be made by both the earth itself and the people alive during the tribulation. That is a huge problem that goes to the heart of the Gospel and not just eschatology.
Amazing.
You duck a simple question and all you can come up with to contribute to this thread is your own misunderstanding in imposing a false understanding in what is being talked about in that thread.
Simply amazing.
There is nothing salvific in the redemption of the earth in the Tribulation, nothing. Why do drag your misunderstanding into another thread?
But, I will have to agree, understanding the redemption of the earth is important in an overview of the Rapture. I hope you will be able to understand it one day.
As far as Ecclesiastes goes, I have read it on a number of occasions, and still have the same opinion of Solomon.
God bless.
I agree there is nothing salvific about the tribulation yet that as far as I can tell is what is being argued. For some reason the poster that started that claim has been reluctant to be clear on what they are saying.
OldRegular
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I agree! The assertion that the Tribulation is payment for the renewal/redemption of the earth is a serious statement and deserves answers rather than the rapid shuffling of feet by some.
Then you are in error about that as well: the Tribulation is the very means by which men will call upon the name of the Lord. It is the same principle as we see in the captivities, where their idolatry is punished and through tribulation they return to the Lord.
The salvific element is God's bringing the unbelieving to the place where they cry out to Him for salvation.
There have been numerous posts presenting Scripture that explains how and why the creation is redeemed, yet you have avoided them, then, as I said, dragged that topic into this thread.
Why do you do that?
Not to change your subject, but do you have an opinion on whether Eschatology should have it's own board?
Who is "they?"
And how does that negate the posts that show that creation is not redeeming itself, that there is no salvific element to that redemption, and that the only payment which contributes to that redemption is the wages of sin levied upon the unbelieving and Satan?
You just can't broad-brush everybody with one particular view someone presents, and it is especially shameful when the premise of your understanding of what somebody said is in error, and the error pointed out to you repeatedly.
God bless.
Answers have been given but surprise surprise...you refuse to address them and admit your error.
And here you are seeking to derail another thread.
God bless.
OldRegular
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DHK finally provided the answer in the thread {http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2221848&posted=1#post2221848} but you two boys are apparently still wandering around in the Great Tribulation. Unless I am mistaken blessedwife318 had made the same point DHK made immediately after the nonsensical claim was made that the Great Tribulation was needed to redeem the earth!
Well, us boys provided quite a few responses to your misunderstanding, which is likely still intact.
When you can address those responses then you might understand how the boys are separated from the men, amigo.
I don't need to appeal to a other members to support my doctrine as you do. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Have you no integrity? Been a long time since I hid behind any skirts or aprons, lol.
Will you continue to dodge the points that show your doctrine adds and takes away from Scripture?
And will you begin to show a little respect for other members and the Staff?
You are very lucky they are patient with you, because you would be banned within a hundred posts on most forums. The Staff is very tolerant, and the least you could do is appreciate that.
But thanks for showing once again you intend to derail every thread you enter.
God bless.
I beat you to the punch by almost 8 hours. In my thread Darby = Dispensationalism my very first sentence was :
I think there needs to be a separate forum for eschatology.
I normally steer clear of these particular debates, but these threads are popping up all over the place as of late. Something must be in the water...
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Well, us boys provided quite a few responses to your misunderstanding, which is likely still intact.
When you can address those responses then you might understand how the boys are separated from the men, amigo.
I don't need to appeal to a other members to support my doctrine as you do. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Have you no integrity? Been a long time since I hid behind any skirts or aprons, lol.
Will you continue to dodge the points that show your doctrine adds and takes away from Scripture?
And will you begin to show a little respect for other members and the Staff?
You are very lucky they are patient with you, because you would be banned within a hundred posts on most forums. The Staff is very tolerant, and the least you could do is appreciate that.
But thanks for showing once again you intend to derail every thread you enter.
You and revmac made nothing but asinine remarks regarding the claim that the 7 year Tribulation was required to redeem the earth. I did not answer, though blessedwife318 did and eventually DHK, because you boys were making such asinine statements trying to defend the indefensible. The more you talked the higher the pile got. Each of you should thank DHK for explaining the truth to you. Of course both of you were too "manly" to listen to blessedwife318!
DC to answer your question I think a separate forum would be nice but that is not my call.
OldRegular
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"Signs of the times are everywhere" Sorry I am off key but I do the best I can in monotone!
Hmm, me and the Rev don't seem to be getting scolded by a Moderator.
And you should wash our mouth out with soap.
Because, as with all topics that get over your head...you could not.
Every time someone asks you a question you run to another thread to spread your spam.
Me, I like to fry spam.
Mm-hmm. That's why yet another thread was created on the same rabbit trail, this time...getting the implication of Word of Faith into the OP.
lol
It's good...to be on top.
Sound doctrine does that, you know.
But...he's not explaining the truth to you, lol.
Don't use it often, but here it is, get ready...
ROFL!
You kill me, BR, really you do...
I was manly enough to directly address her posts, though she has been a good disciple of yours, and ducked the questions, deflected, evaded, and then ran off to bring up the same nonsense in another (This one I think) thread because like you...she wanted to escape the narrowing focus on her error.
So if that's what you mean by being manly, lol, you cast yourself in a far worse state.
And again, thanks for the example of thread derailment and evasion.
So here is a simple question:
Do you think that the Forum should have a specific board for Eschatology?
God bless.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
So there is also misogyny hiding behind the usual snotty remarks you hide behind.
Well...what do you expect from a snotty punk like me, lol.
But I would suggest to you it is not my humor you run from, but the doctrine and the Scripture which reveals the weakness of your own, as well as the control it has over you. And perhaps it is a Freudian Slip you hide behind?
Now once again...
Do you think that the Forum should have a specific board for Eschatology?
God bless.