Who owns the earth?

[Darrell C]

The title of the thread is "Who owns the earth?". You asked a question:

I presented Scripture showing the dominion of GOD over the earth and you reply with the asinine comment above!. I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about and I doubt that you do either.

So this...


Revelation 11:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


...has already taken place, then. Right?


God bless.

 

[revmwc]

The title of the thread is "Who owns the earth?". You asked a question:

I presented Scripture showing the dominion of GOD over the earth and you reply with the asinine comment above!. I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about and I doubt that you do either.

"No, the "purchase price" was paid at Calvary, but everything has its proper time. We were redeemed at Calvary, but the Bible says "We wait for the redemption of our bodies." Our bodies have not yet been redeemed. They still remain under the curse, as does this earth. At the resurrection we will receive our new bodies--they will be redeemed. At the Second Coming the earth will be renewed, restored--as it was in the Garden of Eden. Animals will be in harmony with each other once again"

The question was for this from the link you presented.

According to what you have said there is no Kingdom age, no 1000 year reign. You have stated I believe that when Christ returns the New Heaven and New Earth will come the old renovated by Fire as Peter describes. Yet you say the earth will be restored to as it was in the Garden. Revelation says after the earth is renovated by Fire New Jerusalem comes down.

So the question was posed, do you believe in the Millennial Kingdom happening now?

 

[percho]

In another thread the claim was made that Satan is the owner of the earth.
This in my view is an absolute false statement and is an assault on God.
The Bible is clear that the Earth is God's possession, He never lost control of it despite what WOF teachers may say.

Some verses that show that God is the owner of the earth.

Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine;
Ex. 19:5

Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens, the earth with all that is in it.
Deu 10:14


Who has first given to me, that I should repay him?
Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine.
Job 41:11

The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof,[a]
the world and those who dwell therein,
Ps 21:1

Now I know that the proponents are going to run to 2 Cor 4:4 which says
" In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

to back up their idea that Satan is the owner of this world. But this ignores the fact that world can have multiple meanings including the earth, all the people on it, or the system.
Satan is the god of the world system, he is who the world system worships but that does not mean he is the owner of the earth since that would go against multiple scriptures that are clear that God is the owner of the Earth and everything on it.

God own's the earth and it was created to be inhabited. Man was created to inhabit the earth eternally but not the man Adam, as created in Genesis. I believe the first man Adam, the living soul, was created flesh and blood, subjected to the desires of the flesh, therefore carnal, sold under sin and therefore would need to be redeemed in order to inherit the kingdom of God, the world to come of Heb 2:5.

See other thread. The Son of God the Son of Man and man created in his image is who will inherit all things. IMHO

 

[OldRegular]

This speaks of the actual physical reign of Jesus Christ on earth during the Millennial Kingdom. Take it in context. Go a couple verses down:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
--Neither happening now nor will happen in heaven nor in the new earth. The only place you may find "a dog's neck" will be in the Millennial Kingdom (likewise the possibility of swine).

--There is a double fulfillment--(near and far)
--A child is born a son is given--this happened at the birth of Christ.
--And the government shall be upon his shoulder--This has not happened yet, and it won't until he rules on David's Throne from Jerusalem all the world.
--He is not now the Prince of Peace but will be when he comes to rule in peace. It is satan that is the "prince of the power of this air."

--another double fulfillment.
The first verse (9) was already fulfilled on Palm Sunday; his triumphal entry into Jerusalem.
--Verse 10 speaks of his dominion from sea to sea which has not taken place yet but will in the Millennial Kingdom. He will rule over all the earth.


That is where Christ is now, in heaven. It has nothing to do with his rule on earth.


Now that is really taken scripture out of its context!
Christ is talking about the seriousness of taking a vow, which the Jews had a penchant for doing. He was telling them to let your yeah be yeah and your nay be nay, much as we would say: Let your handshake be your word.
If you shake on it then no other contract should be needed, however that is hardly the case any longer. Honesty is gone out the window.
We also hear such things "I swear on my mother's grave!" Well, what worth is your mother's grave! But the things that the Jews mentioned: heaven, Jerusalem, etc. were of great importance. However, don't swear, take a vow, at all.


Again, relevance?
Stephen is simply showing that God does not dwell in temples made with hands. This does not negate in any way a Millennial Kingdom.

I said nothing in the post to which yo are responding I was simply posting Scripture showing that GOD is sovereign and that includes all of HIS creation.

Does your response mean that you are in bed with rm and DC regarding the sovereignty/dominion of GOD?

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by OldRegular
First from: {http://www.baptistboard.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2221749}

Then from Scripture, first the Old Testament:

Isaiah 66:1
66:1. Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

This speaks of the actual physical reign of Jesus Christ on earth during the Millennial Kingdom. Take it in context. Go a couple verses down:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
--Neither happening now nor will happen in heaven nor in the new earth. The only place you may find "a dog's neck" will be in the Millennial Kingdom (likewise the possibility of swine).

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So there will be no animal sacrifices during the millennium?

 

[revmwc]

So there will be no animal sacrifices during the millennium?

Were there any in the garden before the fall?

 

[Darrell C]

Does your response mean that you are in bed with rm and DC regarding the sovereignty/dominion of GOD?

DC would just like an answer to a simple question:


So this...


Revelation 11:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


...has already taken place, then. Right?

Your confusion between a temporal context and an eternal, as well as your confusion between what is salvific and what is memorial is irrelevant to the question.

Could you explain why you refuse to answer at least?


God bless.

 

[convicted1]

People own the earth they live on via deeds...:tongue3:

 

[Darrell C]

People own the earth they live on via deeds...:tongue3:

Then we would have to say the Catholic Church is the big dog. I understand they own more real estate than any other single organization.

God bless.

 

[OldRegular]

Were there any in the garden before the fall?

No but pre-trib-dispensationalism teaches there will be during the millennium!

Why a Temple and Sacrifices?

The purpose for a Temple throughout Scripture has been to establish a location upon earth-which is under the curse of sin-for the presence of God that reveals through its ritual God's great holiness. God's plan for Israel includes a relation to them through a Temple since He wants to dwell in the midst of His people. Currently the church is God's spiritual Temple made of living stones (1 Cor. 3:16-17; Eph. 2:19-22). The millennium will return history to a time when Israel will be God's mediatory people but will also continue to be a time in which sin will be present upon the earth. Thus, God will include a new Temple, a new priesthood, a new Law, etc., at this future time because He will be present in Israel and still desires to teach that holiness is required to approach Him. This is contrasted with the fact that no Temple will exist in eternity (Rev. 21:22) because God and the Lamb are the Temple since there will be no sin in heaven, thus no need for ritual cleansing.

The painstaking detail in Ezekiel 40-48 is similar to the instruction given to Moses for building of the Tabernacle and then to others for building the Solomonic Temple. Such detail is meaningless unless taken literally as were the Tabernacle and first two Temples. If the detail was intended to be symbolic, the symbols are never explained, as is usually the case with genuine biblical symbolism. Because no textual basis exists for a non-literal interpretation, those attempting such explanations become subjective in their many and various guesses about the meaning of the passage.

It must be remembered that the Levitical sacrifices of the Mosaic system are said by the Bible to "make atonement" as well (for example, Lev. 4:20, 26, 31, 35, etc.). If these sacrifices in the past actually atoned for the people's sins, which, of course, they did not, then they would be equally blasphemous in light of Christ's perfect sacrifice. Hebrews 10:4 says, "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." Furthermore, there would have been no need for Christ's once and for all atoning sacrifice if these past acts did the job.

So what do both past and future sacrifices accomplish if they don't actually remove sin? These sacrifices provide ritual cleansing of the priests, sanctuary, and utensils. Only Christ's sacrifice on the cross actually removes one's sin. Jerry Hullinger provides a solution that:

. . . deals honestly with the text of Ezekiel, and in no way demeans the work Christ did on the cross. This study suggests that animal sacrifices during the millennium will serve primarily to remove ceremonial uncleanness and prevent defilement from polluting the temple envisioned by Ezekiel. This will be necessary because the glorious presence of Yahweh will once again be dwelling on earth in the midst of a sinful and unclean people.

Because of God's promise to dwell on earth during the millennium (as stated in the New Covenant), it is necessary that He protect His presence through sacrifice . . . It should further be added that this sacrificial system will be a temporary one in that the millennium (with its partial population of unglorified humanity) will last only one thousand years. 4

Critics of future millennial sacrifices seem to assume that all sacrifices, past and future, always depict Christ's final sacrifice for sin. They do not! There were various purposes for sacrifice in the Bible. Many of the sacrifices under the Mosaic system were purification rituals. This is why atonement can be said in the past to be effective, yet still need Christ's future sacrifice, because many of the sacrifices did atone ceremonially, cleansing participants and objects in Temple ritual. In Ezekiel 43:20 and 26, the atonement is specifically directed at cleansing the altar in order to make it ritually clean. The other uses of atonement also refer to cleansing objects so that ritual purity may be maintained for proper worship (Ezek. 45:15, 17, 20).
http://www.preteristarchive.com/Futurism/2007_ice_millennium.html

 

[DHK]

I said nothing in the post to which yo are responding I was simply posting Scripture showing that GOD is sovereign and that includes all of HIS creation.

Does your response mean that you are in bed with rm and DC regarding the sovereignty/dominion of GOD?

Certainly God is sovereign. He always was and always will be.
But define "sovereign." Was he sovereign when he allowed Satan to have his way with Job to do as he wished?
Is he still sovereign as he has allowed Satan to become the "god of this world," the "prince of the power of this world," the "spirit that now rules in darkness."
He is the god of this world. But yes, God is still sovereign. Jesus Christ is not ruling this earth now. Satan is. But when Christ comes he will defeat satan and his minions and then he will establish His Kingdom.
He said to Pilate: "My Kingdom is not of this world." And he meant that for this time and age. But some day it will be "of this world," when he sits on the throne of David and rules from Jerusalem.

 

[OldRegular]

The Seventh Trumpet

Revelation 11:15-19, KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

With the sound of the seventh trumpet The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ. Rather than a vision of woe we see a picture of the triumph of the Kingdom of God. Voices ring out, the praise of all the host of heaven, the great multitude, the four beasts, and the twenty four elders. The coming of the Kingdom brings resurrection, the resurrection to life, the Blessed Hope, of those who are redeemed to God by the blood of the Lamb. These are the ones who fear His Name [Matthew 10:28], those who overcome [1 John 5:4], those whose robes have been washed white in the blood of the Lamb [Revelation 7:14]. These will wear a crown: the crown of life [Revelation 2:10], the crown of righteousness [2 Timothy 4:8]. These will enter into the joy of the Lord [Matthew 25:21] and become pillars in the Temple of God [Revelation 3:12]. With all the host of heaven, the redeemed will sing: We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

We also see in Verse 18 the fulfillment of that which Jesus Christ promised in John 5:28, 29, a picture of the General Resurrection and General Judgment.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The Apostle Paul tells us that at the sound of the seventh and last trumpet:

1 Corinthians 15:50-57
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The above passage is obviously a picture of the resurrection promised by Jesus Christ in John 5:28-29 because the Apostle Paul tells us that there will be no more death!

There will be no pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church, there will be no millennial kingdom, there will be no renewal of meaningless animal sacrifices, and after the sounding of the Seventh and Last Trumpet there will be no more death. But there will be a New Heavens and New Earth wherein righteousness dwells. There the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. When Jesus Christ shouted on the Cross It is Finished HE mean't exactly that!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"No, the "purchase price" was paid at Calvary, but everything has its proper time. We were redeemed at Calvary, but the Bible says "We wait for the redemption of our bodies." Our bodies have not yet been redeemed. They still remain under the curse, as does this earth. At the resurrection we will receive our new bodies--they will be redeemed. At the Second Coming the earth will be renewed, restored--as it was in the Garden of Eden. Animals will be in harmony with each other once again"

The question was for this from the link you presented.

According to what you have said there is no Kingdom age, no 1000 year reign. You have stated I believe that when Christ returns the New Heaven and New Earth will come the old renovated by Fire as Peter describes. Yet you say the earth will be restored to as it was in the Garden. Revelation says after the earth is renovated by Fire New Jerusalem comes down.

So the question was posed, do you believe in the Millennial Kingdom happening now?

NO........:BangHead:

 

[OldRegular]

"No, the "purchase price" was paid at Calvary, but everything has its proper time. We were redeemed at Calvary, but the Bible says "We wait for the redemption of our bodies." Our bodies have not yet been redeemed. They still remain under the curse, as does this earth. At the resurrection we will receive our new bodies--they will be redeemed. At the Second Coming the earth will be renewed, restored--as it was in the Garden of Eden. Animals will be in harmony with each other once again"

The question was for this from the link you presented.

According to what you have said there is no Kingdom age, no 1000 year reign. You have stated I believe that when Christ returns the New Heaven and New Earth will come the old renovated by Fire as Peter describes. Yet you say the earth will be restored to as it was in the Garden. Revelation says after the earth is renovated by Fire New Jerusalem comes down.

So the question was posed, do you believe in the Millennial Kingdom happening now?

There will be no pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church, there will be no earthly millennial kingdom, there will be no renewal of meaningless animal sacrifices, and after the sounding of the Seventh and Last Trumpet there will be no more death. But there will be a New Heavens and New Earth wherein righteousness dwells. There the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. When Jesus Christ shouted on the Cross It is Finished HE mean't exactly that!

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The Seventh Trumpet

Revelation 11:15-19, KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

With the sound of the seventh trumpet The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ. Rather than a vision of woe we see a picture of the triumph of the Kingdom of God. Voices ring out, the praise of all the host of heaven, the great multitude, the four beasts, and the twenty four elders. The coming of the Kingdom brings resurrection, the resurrection to life, the Blessed Hope, of those who are redeemed to God by the blood of the Lamb. These are the ones who fear His Name [Matthew 10:28], those who overcome [1 John 5:4], those whose robes have been washed white in the blood of the Lamb [Revelation 7:14]. These will wear a crown: the crown of life [Revelation 2:10], the crown of righteousness [2 Timothy 4:8]. These will enter into the joy of the Lord [Matthew 25:21] and become pillars in the Temple of God [Revelation 3:12]. With all the host of heaven, the redeemed will sing: We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

We also see in Verse 18 the fulfillment of that which Jesus Christ promised in John 5:28, 29, a picture of the General Resurrection and General Judgment.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The Apostle Paul tells us that at the sound of the seventh and last trumpet:

1 Corinthians 15:50-57
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The above passage is obviously a picture of the resurrection promised by Jesus Christ in John 5:28-29 because the Apostle Paul tells us that there will be no more death!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

There will be no pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church, there will be no earthly millennial kingdom, there will be no renewal of meaningless animal sacrifices, and after the sounding of the Seventh and Last Trumpet there will be no more death. But there will be a New Heavens and New Earth wherein righteousness dwells. There the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. When Jesus Christ shouted on the Cross It is Finished HE mean't exactly that!

THANK YOU... THANK YOU... & THANK YOU....and most of all "THANK GOD!"

 

[revmwc]

THANK YOU... THANK YOU... & THANK YOU....and most of all "THANK GOD!"

Well God will snatch all away whether they believe it or not. So Thank God you don't have to believe to be Snatched Away.

Paul taught is, Jesus promised it that early church Fathers believed it and that is GOOD enough for me.

 

[revmwc]

There will be no pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church, there will be no earthly millennial kingdom, there will be no renewal of meaningless animal sacrifices, and after the sounding of the Seventh and Last Trumpet there will be no more death. But there will be a New Heavens and New Earth wherein righteousness dwells. There the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. When Jesus Christ shouted on the Cross It is Finished HE mean't exactly that!

Christ will snatch you away if you are truly His whether you believe it or not so you can Thank God for that!

Paul taught it, Jesus Promised it the early church fathers believed it would happen and that is good enough for me!

 

[OldRegular]

Well God will snatch all away whether they believe it or not. So Thank God you don't have to believe to be Snatched Away.

Paul taught is, Jesus promised it that early church Fathers believed it and that is GOOD enough for me.

Paul did not teach the "snatching away!

Jesus Christ did not teach the "snatching away" HE taught the general resurrection and judgment of ALL

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Many of the early Church Fathers were wrong about many things. If you quote these people then provide a link otherwise they are worthless!

 

[OldRegular]

Christ will snatch you away if you are truly His whether you believe it or not so you can Thank God for that!

Paul taught it, Jesus Promised it the early church fathers believed it would happen and that is good enough for me!

This person is questioning my Salvation. In fairness this person should be reprimanded!