Featured The Wall Came Tumbling Down

Ephesians 2:11-22
11. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13. But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14.For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17. And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22. In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Many if not most pre-trib-dispensationalists claim to believe in progressive revelation. In the above passage of Scripture GOD through the Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus Christ has broken down that wall between Jew and Gentile that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The Apostle further tells us that we Gentiles are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. That Building is the Church, the total number of those redeemed by the Blood of Jesus Christ, and is composed of believing Jew and believing Gentiles an habitation of God through the Spirit.

In Revelations 21:1-4 we read the words of the beloved Apostle John And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

We see in this passage the New Jerusalem, the Church, the Bride of Jesus Christ, coming to the New Heavens and New Earth where GOD will dwell with them. This is perfectly consistent with what we read in Ephesians 2:22.

The Wall was broken by Jesus Christ through HIS sacrificial death on the Roman Cross. But sadly there are those who would rebuild that wall from the rubble of "splintered" Scripture; that wall whose destruction was accomplished on the Cross.

 

Fifty views and not a single response. I did not realize there were that many on this Forum who understood the implications of the false doctrine of some dispensationalists!

 

Jesus Christ broke down the wall on the Cross as Paul clearly teaches. If you can't understand that then you are not nearly as clever as you think!!

 

It is a fact whether some agree or not that what is now being called Christian Zionism is rebuilding that wall as quickly as they can.

 

I have always thought it strange. Some Arminians or "freewillers" have no problem with Israel being the "elect of GOD" but vehemently deny the doctrine of Sovereign Election when it comes to Gentiles and the Church!

 

Apparently some like John Hagee are trying to hurry GOD up regarding the so-called-"snatching away" of the Church.

 

Yes but pre-trib-dispensationalism rebuilds that wall of separation that Jesus Christ tore down on the Cross.

The sacrificial death of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, split the curtain separating the Holy Place from the Holy of Holies. Jesus Christ is our passover and the passover for all who believe, Jew and Gentile. GOD destroyed the temple in 70 AD, fulfilling the promise of Jesus Christ in Matthew 24. The destruction of the Temple brought a halt to the useless slaughter of animals indicating the judgment of GOD on Israel fulfilling that judgment handed down by Jesus Christ:

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Jesus Christ made the perfect sacrifice to redeem man yet pre-trib-dispensationalism insists the Temple must be rebuilt and those useless animal sacrifices must once again be offered.

 

Simple! Revelation 20 speaks of the Saints, the Church, reigning with Jesus Christ. You say on earth sometime in the future but I say in heaven at the present time. Nevertheless that rules out national/ethnic Israel. Of course your biggest mistake is trying to interpret Revelation literally.

Now you go back and explain the passage from 2 Peter! No one has at present, they just shuffle their feet as they weave and dodge!

 

When we die our the dwelling place for our souls will be in heaven in the presence of GOD. Our bodies will return to dust. However after the resurrection, and I believe in a general resurrection and judgment of all the dead at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, Scripture tells us there will the White Throne Judgment and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. All appear before this Judgment and Satan and his are cast into the lake of fire. {Revelation 20:11-15}

{The Apostle Paul in his letter to the Church at Rome tells us:

Romans 8:18-23
18. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

All of creation, which was affected by the fall, waits with earnest expectation for the Second Coming and the removal of the curse of the fall.}​

Then the New Jerusalem which is the Church, the Bride of Jesus Christ, the total number of the redeemed of all time will dwell in the New Heavens and New Earth {Revelation 21:1ff}. As you read Revelation 21 it is obvious that John is not giving events in a chronological order!

Revelation 21:1-4; 9-11
1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

In this New Heavens and New Earth we are told: the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21: 9-11
9. And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
10. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11. Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Now consider the description of the Bride of Jesus Christ. But remember this description is not literal but figurative. Certainly the Bride of Jesus Christ is not a literal building!

Revelation 21:12-14
12. And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13. On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

I believe the fact that the 12 Apostles and 12 tribes are included in this description of the New Jerusalem, the Bride of Jesus Christ, tells us that the Bride includes all the redeemed of all time.