.needs help

[Iconoclast]

WARNING; This thread might prove to be embarrassing to a poster who wants to re-hash a whole thread , be shown where he has missed the mark, and be corrected.....shown why and how he missed every response offered to him...and then turn against those who offered help to him

DC
As per your request; your special thread!

I want you to do this, actually, and we will see who is embarrassed.Anyone reading this would not even know what I have said.

I have specifically asked you to show how what I have said is not on topic, which was actually denied by the OP.

Every post is not on topic, it addresses the OP:

As posted by DC......

It has always been the love of God for the World that motivated God to reveal Himself to God.
Go and learn what that means. Drop your Theology System and embrace the Word of God.

:laugh::laugh:quoted word for word....posted by DC. I have no idea what this means:laugh:.....I just tried to "quote it properly" so you would not get all twisted:wavey:


Next.....we will examine the claims of DC.........

such friendly comments as;

Would you care to answer the question or just skip right to "I can't answer so I will make derisive comments and maybe nobody will notice I ignored the point and question I was scared to answer"?

or

You were done before you even started.

Three passages given and you do not address a single point.

So too were Iconoclast's responses.

Since you are done shall I assume that smokescreen, deflection, and an inability to address the Scripture, points, and questions...is your MO as well?

Please correct me if I am wrong, and you can do that by addressing the posts, instead of...answering questions with questions, and making a point thinking it will be missed that you are ignoring the points raised.

and then there was this call for help;

And just as a suggestion, how about going back and actually addressing the posts directed at you.

If you are going to try to defend your Theology System, you are going to have to actually engage in serious debate. Ignoring the Scripture and throwing out more proof-texts is not going to qualify as serious engagement. And that is why we are losing the battle with atheists and false religionists, because of sloth.

Not that I'm calling you out or anything.

But now we must examine the scriptures and the responses given in reference to the objects of God's saving grace and love.

 

[Iconoclast]

Here is one example;
The discussion is the saving love of God.

Who is it given to?

How do they get this love?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts

by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Here Paul teaches that the justified saved persons have this love of God in their hearts...

HOW DID IT GET THERE?

By the HOLY GHOST who is given unto US.....

DC..... the unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit do they?

the unsaved are not justified by faith.....they are not the .....US.....in rom5

rippon repeated this to you....your attempted responses....

DC says

Again...your context is post-salvific.

Off topic.

Quote:


Off topic????lol really.....get a clue.We are being told by Paul about the love of God....it is given by the Holy Spirit to the justified.....they are the objects of this saving love...that is why they are called...the saved.....

DC...if a person does not have the Spirit....he is not saved.....he is still under the wrath of God which continually abides on him.

That is why this verse was offered to show who are those the love of God is given to, by the Spirit which the unsaved do not have

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his



Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
The Holy Ghost.....is only given to the Elect....that is those who are saved, justified.....

No-one is arguing that.

you are....you are suggesting the unsaved have the same thing that believers do.....without the Spirit.

 

[DHK]

The discussion is the saving love of God.

Who is it given to?

How do they get this love?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts

by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Here Paul teaches that the justified saved persons have this love of God in their hearts...

HOW DID IT GET THERE?

By the HOLY GHOST who is given unto US.....

DC..... the unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit do they?

I think you are missing his point.
"The saving love of God," Who is it given to?
The obvious answer is, that it is given to everyone.

It was first given to you who believed and were justified.
How? DC Said the Holy Spirit gave it to you.
And Romans 5 teaches that "it is shed abroad in our hearts."

If it is shed abroad in our hearts it is not selective. Christ taught this throughout his ministry. To the lawyer, testing him, "And who is my neighbor," Jesus replied by giving the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Who is your neighbor? Did Jesus teach that just the elect is your neighbor, and just the elect you should love, and just the elect you should help.
A priest passed by on the other side, and likewise a Levite, but that despised Samaritan stopped and helped the Jewish man who had been robbed and left for dead. Out of his own time and money he nursed his wounds and brought him to an inn, provided room and board and then offered to pay any other expenses that the man would incur. He loved him as himself, though he, a Samaritan was no doubt despised in this Jew's eyes.

Jesus is God. He is deity. He is teaching us to love our neighbor whoever he is. He doesn't teach there are some you love and some you don't. He never suggests that there are two kinds of love. He always taught to love all equally. I don't believe God is hypocritical in His teaching--that He himself has two types of loves: one for his elect and another for his non-elect. That is not What Christ the Creator taught on earth. Why would he teach or believe something different any different from eternity past. He is God who changes not!!

 

[Iconoclast]

the topic here the saving
love of God.

it is not about the Christians duty to love his neighbor or show love to your enemies by speaking the truth and love .
it's talking about who are the objects of the saving love of God

 

[DHK]

the topic here saving the love of God.

it is not about the Christians duty to love his neighbor or show love to your enemies by speaking the truth and love .
it's talking about who are the objects of the saving love of God

DC asked: Who does God love.
The obvious answer is "God loves everyone," and his will is:
that all would come to repentance.
that none should perish.
that all men be saved.
that he is the propitiation for all the sins of the world.

His will is that all men be saved--so great is his love.

 

[Darrell C]

Here is one example;
The discussion is the saving love of God.

Who is it given to?

How do they get this love?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts

by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Here Paul teaches that the justified saved persons have this love of God in their hearts...

HOW DID IT GET THERE?

By the HOLY GHOST who is given unto US.....

DC..... the unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit do they?

the unsaved are not justified by faith.....they are not the .....US.....in rom5

rippon repeated this to you....your attempted responses....





Quote:


Off topic????lol really.....get a clue.We are being told by Paul about the love of God....it is given by the Holy Spirit to the justified.....they are the objects of this saving love...that is why they are called...the saved.....

DC...if a person does not have the Spirit....he is not saved.....he is still under the wrath of God which continually abides on him.

That is why this verse was offered to show who are those the love of God is given to, by the Spirit which the unsaved do not have

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his



Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
The Holy Ghost.....is only given to the Elect....that is those who are saved, justified.....

you are....you are suggesting the unsaved have the same thing that believers do.....without the Spirit.

I see, run away from the thread where you have already been shown to be sloppy in posting and theology.

Let me help you out, since you want to rehash:


This is the post this was taken from:

Dc



Not one word you said was cut out. Not one word. And every word received a response.


How does that make you feel, Iconoclast?

/QUOTE]

I suppose I feel a bit sorry for you if you think you answered to the replies you were given your answers are completely incoherent to the responses that were offered to you

And this is me showing your sloppiness:


What foolish statement? This post is so sliced and diced, edited, manufactured...it is simply astounding.

And you do not even post the first part.

Here it is again, let's see another example why the statement...


Quote:
Not one word you said was cut out. Not one word. And every word received a response.

...is true when I say it, lol, but falsehood when you say it (even if it inadvertent because you are too lazy to even properly quote someone).


So don't blame your sloppiness on me. lol


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

the topic here the saving
love of God.

it is not about the Christians duty to love his neighbor or show love to your enemies by speaking the truth and love .
it's talking about who are the objects of the saving love of God

The topic has been identified several times for those having a hard time understanding it, the first person informed being the OP herself.

We know what the bible says in John 3:16, so does that mean that He loves every single person? If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen, how is this love manifest for the not predestined/chosen?

You don't change the OPs question by throwing in "saving" before God's love.

I would think that...

If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen

...would kind of clue you in to this fact.


God bless.

 

[Dr. Bob]

DHK - let them hash this out without our interference (especially Arminian tripe that would get this moved to the Calvin/Arminian forum )

 

[Darrell C]

WARNING; This thread might prove to be embarrassing to a poster who wants to re-hash a whole thread , be shown where he has missed the mark, and be corrected.....shown why and how he missed every response offered to him...and then turn against those who offered help to him

Response: thanks for giving the perfect example of your slice and dicery, as well as proving you cannot even put the effort into properly titling a thread.

DC
As per your request; your special thread!

How's that going for you so far?

Quote:
I want you to do this, actually, and we will see who is embarrassed.Anyone reading this would not even know what I have said.

I have specifically asked you to show how what I have said is not on topic, which was actually denied by the OP.

Every post is not on topic, it addresses the OP:

As posted by DC......

Quote:
It has always been the love of God for the World that motivated God to reveal Himself to God.
Go and learn what that means. Drop your Theology System and embrace the Word of God.

quoted word for word....posted by DC. I have no idea what this means.....I just tried to "quote it properly" so you would not get all twisted

Could you show me where we find this in the post you supposedly quote?

Here is everything I said:

I want you to do this, actually, and we will see who is embarrassed.

Anyone reading this would not even know what I have said.

I have specifically asked you to show how what I have said is not on topic, which was actually denied by the OP.

Every post is not on topic, it addresses the OP:




So you are now called to account for your boasting...





Do this.


God bless.

Next.....we will examine the claims of DC.........

such friendly comments as;

Quote:
Would you care to answer the question or just skip right to "I can't answer so I will make derisive comments and maybe nobody will notice I ignored the point and question I was scared to answer"?

Nope. That's not in the post you started. And seeing that you do not bother to put the links in, makes it hard for anyone to verify what's being said.

But you count on that, don't you? lol

or

Quote:
You were done before you even started.

Three passages given and you do not address a single point.

So too were Iconoclast's responses.

Since you are done shall I assume that smokescreen, deflection, and an inability to address the Scripture, points, and questions...is your MO as well?

Please correct me if I am wrong, and you can do that by addressing the posts, instead of...answering questions with questions, and making a point thinking it will be missed that you are ignoring the points raised.

Not even addressed to you. Ha this poster responded?

And why is it that you have such an aversion to posting the quotes in the posts?

and then there was this call for help;

Quote:
And just as a suggestion, how about going back and actually addressing the posts directed at you.

If you are going to try to defend your Theology System, you are going to have to actually engage in serious debate. Ignoring the Scripture and throwing out more proof-texts is not going to qualify as serious engagement. And that is why we are losing the battle with atheists and false religionists, because of sloth.

Not that I'm calling you out or anything.

Yeah, I am rather fond of that one.

Except you identify it as a call to help. It's just some basic truths.

But now we must examine the scriptures and the responses given in reference to the objects of God's saving grace and love.

Not going to happen. But I will import the responses in the other thread since you have ran off from that one, refusing to address the points.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

the topic here the saving
love of God.

it is not about the Christians duty to love his neighbor or show love to your enemies by speaking the truth and love .
it's talking about who are the objects of the saving love of God

The topic is the same one.

Which you still have not responded to.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

DHK - let them hash this out without our interference (especially Arminian tripe that would get this moved to the Calvin/Arminian forum )

That is not to say that you also feel that one is Arminian because they recognize the fact that Scripture testifies that God's love for the world is the very reason Christ came is it?

And it's okay with me if anyone wants to jump in.

The fact is that this issue is not exclusive to an Arminian and Calvinist confusion. It is a simple and basic principle that is seen from beginning to end in Scripture.

What gets confused is when the antagonists who failed to respond to the posts, points and questions, in the other thread try to qualify their doctrine by modifying the subject.

Here it is:

We know what the bible says in John 3:16, so does that mean that He loves every single person? If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen, how is this love manifest for the not predestined/chosen?

This has been the issue in the other thread. And this fellow's idea of responding is exactly what you see in this thread: more sloppy quoting of an antagonist so that the fact he is incapable of responding to the issue is forgotten.

So feel free to clarify if you think God extending as well as manifesting His love to all men, and every man...is in error as the OP teaches.

I would be very curious to hear your take on the issue.


God bless.

 

[Iconoclast]

hey darrell rest sure I'm going to import the whole thread line by line into this 1 and a way way you're not going to be able to escape
and jump around like your doing
I'm going to go line by line showing exactly what took place and the sequences took place
what I did so far I was just setup the framework in example and then I'm going to go line by line word by word my friend so you you will not have your excuse of saying I didn't answer this
or he runs away from scripture
I give you more Scripture than you can deal with
your having trouble with romans 5 responded to that instead you jumping all over the place to be patient in 2 hours I'll be up in running on the computer and will go from there

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hey Darrell....maybe you should strap your self in :LAUGH:

 

[Darrell C]

Here is one example;

And where is it taken from?

Nobody knows, and you are dependent on that, because if anyone actually reads the responses to your posts it is embarrassing...only for you.

The discussion is the saving love of God.

Who is it given to?

How do they get this love?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts

by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Here Paul teaches that the justified saved persons have this love of God in their hearts...

HOW DID IT GET THERE?

By the HOLY GHOST who is given unto US.....

DC..... the unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit do they?

the unsaved are not justified by faith.....they are not the .....US.....in rom5

rippon repeated this to you....your attempted responses....

First, the discussion, as repeatedly clarified, is seen clearly:

We know what the bible says in John 3:16, so does that mean that He loves every single person? If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen, how is this love manifest for the not predestined/chosen?

Then you say...

Quote:
DC says

Quote:
Again...your context is post-salvific.

Off topic.

Quote:


Off topic????lol really.....get a clue.

Here is a clue:

We know what the bible says in John 3:16, so does that mean that He loves every single person? If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen, how is this love manifest for the not predestined/chosen?

Do you really not see how ridiculous your assertions are?

Really?

And you wonder why someone might point out the ridiculousness? lol

Now let's look at your proof-text again and see how it is pointed out that your proof-text is post-salvific, and again...irrelevant to the discussion:

The discussion is the saving love of God.

Who is it given to?

How do they get this love?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts

by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Here Paul teaches that the justified saved persons have this love of God in their hearts...

HOW DID IT GET THERE?

By the HOLY GHOST who is given unto US.....

DC..... the unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit do they?

the unsaved are not justified by faith.....they are not the .....US.....in rom5

rippon repeated this to you....your attempted responses....

Anyone wishing to see the Actual post this is taken from, see here.

At least as best as I can tell that is the post. Due to the sloppiness of the quoting procedure one has to search the entire thread to find out.

I know Iconoclast won't look at it, it is clear he didn't bother reading it the first time. Much less actually quote then respond to the Scripture and points made.

He has me saying...

DC..... the unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit do they?

Did I?

We are being told by Paul about the love of God....it is given by the Holy Spirit to the justified.....they are the objects of this saving love...that is why they are called...the saved.....

Again, not relevant to the issue being discussed:

We know what the bible says in John 3:16, so does that mean that He loves every single person? If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen, how is this love manifest for the not predestined/chosen?

DC...if a person does not have the Spirit....he is not saved.....he is still under the wrath of God which continually abides on him.

Who is speaking here?

Who knows?

Continued...

 

[Darrell C]

That is why this verse was offered to show who are those the love of God is given to, by the Spirit which the unsaved do not have

What verse?

This one...

Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts

by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

...well, who really knows the way this post is so sliced and diced.

Let's suppose it is, has this been addressed in the other thread?

Here it is:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts
by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Again...your context is post-salvific.

Off topic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
The Holy Ghost.....is only given to the Elect....that is those who are saved, justified.....

No-one is arguing that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
take a marker and mark or circle the word us in romans 5...it is only speaking of the JUSTIFIED;

Read the OP again. Then perhaps you might start using your own marker in relevant passages.

Or did you black out the relevant passages with your marker?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

The word elect does not appear in every verse of the bible....but every saved person is elect...


And everyone that jumps into the ocean is wet.

Relevance to the OP?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
Now ...how does the LOVE OF GOD that justifies dead sinners get into a sinner?

Not relevant.

The question is who does the love of God extend to.

Scripture says the world and all men. Your Theology System says only the Elect.

We see who's understanding you prefer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
the text says.....By the HOLY GHOST who is given unto US......

Which is irrelevant to the OP:


1 Timothy 2:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


If you read this and weep you might consider leaving the country club.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
The unsaved DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVEN UNTO THEM TO SHED THE SAVING LOVE OF GOD IN THEIR HEART.

Do you really think that emphasizing the text will make what you say true? lol

Understand: the Elect, prior to regeneration...do not have the Holy Spirit...

...either.

Simple math, amigo.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
DC...do you see it now?

No, not really, I am a little too far south to see D.C.



See my commentary and see if you can deny that I am seeing things clearly. If you can address what has been said without slicing and dicing my statements and can show how the passages which show God's love for the world are not in fact clear statements of God's love we will take it from there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
Do you see the relevance now? everywhere the saving love of God is mentioned...

No kidding.

Shame you exclude the world. The Word does not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
it is spoken of as IN Christ...

Again, post-salvific.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
in saving Union with Christ Jesus....now re-read romans 8...with the same truth in mind and you will "SEE" it and it's relevance.......


28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Again, post-salvific. Even as Peter's Epistle has a focus on genuine versus disingenuous, this is absolutely irrelevant to the question of the OP.

God bless.


And this...is just part of one responses to his response, lol. Just a portion of the response.

Do you see that here in this post?

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

Again...irrelevant to the OP.

We know what the bible says in John 3:16, so does that mean that He loves every single person? If so, and only those who get saved are those who are predestined/chosen, how is this love manifest for the not predestined/chosen?

Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
The Holy Ghost.....is only given to the Elect....that is those who are saved, justified.....

Quote:
No-one is arguing that.

you are....you are suggesting the unsaved have the same thing that believers do.....without the Spirit.

No, I am pointing out that the love of God is manifested to all men.

How many passages were posted in the first thread?

And how many do you quote?

Much less answer.

But because you refuse to address the issue and it is more important for you to try to cover the fact that your theology lacks a Scriptural Basis...you run from that thread and do the same thing you were said to be doing in the last one...

...slicing and dicing.

Now quit being lazy and properly quote, then respond to what has been said.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Hey Darrell....maybe you should strap your self in :LAUGH:

Straps are for roller coasters. This is a merry-go-round.

A slow merry-go-round.


God bless.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Straps are for roller coasters. This is a merry-go-round.

A slow merry-go-round.


God bless.

No this is an Italian from N.Y. when you hit the ground, roll...I'm going to bed...3am comes too early these days.

 

[Darrell C]

hey darrell rest sure I'm going to import the whole thread line by line into this 1 and a way way you're not going to be able to escape
and jump around like your doing

Feel free. Though I'm not sure why you cannot just go back and address the posts you've already butchered.

But I will help you with importing (and since Dr. Bob has seemed to give his blessing I guess we are excused from Spam).

I'm going to go line by line showing exactly what took place and the sequences took place

No you won't.

You couldn't properly quote someone if your life depended on it.

I've shown you twice and you still present this kindergarten garbage.

Here it is again:

Copy and paste the code that looks like this...

(QUOTE=Iconoclast;2223711)

...in front of each quote.

Then copy and paste the code that looks like this...


(/QUOTE)


...after each quote. Then you will have the link and properly identify who said what.

But you won't do that, for the same reason you hightailed it out of the other thread. Your lack of response was too clear.

what I did so far I was just setup the framework in example and then I'm going to go line by line word by word my friend so you you will not have your excuse of saying I didn't answer this

What you did was set yourself up to be made to seem even more foolish than you jade yourself look in the last thread.

Line by line? Give me a break. Nothing you have quoted so far is even close.

If you want an example of line by line response, go back to the other thread and view my response to your posts. That's what it looks like. And you will notice the multitude of Scripture presented to support my view.

or he runs away from scripture

Well it's true.

Are you not in another thread, slicing and dicing your way to a rationalization of your failure in the last thread?

Honestly. some people's kids...

I give you more Scripture than you can deal with

What Scripture? lol

your having trouble with romans 5

Am I?

Funny But I have responded to your quotation of Romans 5:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
here is Romans 5;
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God

is shed abroad in our hearts
by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Again...your context is post-salvific.

Off topic.

It was irrelevant then in that thread, and it is still irrelevant in this thread.

Now here is a relevant passage from Romans 5:



Consider:


Romans 5:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon [URL="http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3956&t=KJV"]all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.[/URL]


All men means all men.

You won't change the fact that the Gift of God is given unto all men, though only those who believe will be saved.

responded to that instead you jumping all over the place

Everything is in order.

I can't respond to irrelevancy without stating it for what it is.

And you will not show anything out of order in the other thread, only in slicing and dicing as you have already given example in the OP can you show it.

to be patient in 2 hours I'll be up in running on the computer and will go from there

I'll likely have fallen asleep by then. But who knows.

I have a serious responder in the "Other Denominations" board who actually responded to that which you evaded.

And here I am wasting time with you.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

No this is an Italian from N.Y. when you hit the ground, roll...I'm going to bed...3am comes too early these days.

Won't be any hitting the ground. The best he can do is wear me out with the incessant whopper chopper action.

I like Italians, really. The world is in debt to them for Pizza.


God bless.

 

[Iconoclast]

He has me saying...


Quote:
DC..... the unsaved do not have the Holy Spirit do they?

Did I?

lol...I asked you a question...I did not say you said it...lol


Stop being a drama queen....I am parked and online now....let's procede....not with this helter skelter that you are doing....let's go point for point...big boy.