Featured 5 reasons why the Preterist and/or semi-preterist position is impossible

Thanks Calypsis,

Another scripture which is virtually unexplainable according to preterists is
2 Peter 3

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I believe preterist still insist that this passage was fulfilled and we were/are unaware of it because it was a "spiritual" thing.

But Peter says "But the heavens and the earth, which are now" not the "new heavens and new earth" comparing the the literal and material pre-deluvian world to the literal and material post-deluvian world and its scoffers to be judged by fire.

HankD

 

It is a fact that Jerusalem and the Temple, where the Jews continued the abomination of useless blood offering, was destroyed in 70AD just as Jesus Christ promised!

 

Denying a future, literal, and physical return of Christ is one of if not the most evil doctrines around today.

 

Ahaaaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaa:laugh:

 

About on the same level as the doctrine that Jesus Christ died for a
"parenthesis" in GOD's program for national Israel who murdered HIM!

 

True, yet no one here believes in the "church parenthesis" theory that I know of OR but we have more than one full preterist.

HankD

 

I understand that but classic Dispensational Doctrine as taught by Chafer, Walvoord, Ryrie and others is that the Church is a "parenthesis", an intercalation in GOD's program for National Israel. My belief is that the primary program GOD had for National Israel was to be the vehicle through whom the Incarnation would occur followed by the murder of Jesus Christ by what was left of National Israel at the time.

Something that is never mentioned; Jesus Christ was a Jew but HE had Gentile DNA in HIS ancestry, Tamar, Rahab, and Ruth! Of course there were believers before the call of Abraham and Gentile believers after that call and the Scripture is clear that Gentiles would be brought into the Household of Faith after the Incarnation.

I would also not that there is a vast difference between the partial preterist and full preterist. I am a partial preterist in the sense I believe 70AD was GOD's judgment on Israel. I do not believe that there was any visible appearance of Jesus Christ at that time..

 

Hank....can you be sure of that? Maybe they wont publically admit to it. .... but!!!!!

 

Regarding your theology.......I agree, deep in bs! :laugh:

 

Why.....are you that stupid you cant figure it out?

 

:thumbs::applause::thumbs:

 

Oh I love you .... thats why i suggest this to you specifically.....so,'Go take flying leap for yourself.' :wavey:

 

That sums it up brother....thanks :applause:

 

I thought this thread was for partial preterist too??? So much for the most obvious.

According to 1 John, many antichrists have already gone out in the world.

I wonder if you know where the sources for the external witness come from and if they are reliable. Yes, Ire. and Poly. were close to John the apostle, but how about the guy who is recording them?

Nevertheless, if this is true, what does it say about all the words in Rev. that talk about "soon" and "not long"?

You assume the genre of Rev is prophecy. That is a mistake. It is an apocalyptic. And they weren't about tell the future but rather talking about end of world symbolism to talk about their present day.

Again, how does this relate to the partial preterist? And if Jesus has triumphed as the Lion of the Tribe of David the root of Jesse sitting in the middle of the throne of God, then I would say the kingdom has been established. The King has overcome and is enthroned. Sounds like the beginnings of a kingdom to me. And that is just in Rev. This is taught throughout the NT.

Pretty weak stuff in my opinion.