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Well, there are RCCs and others, too.
I'd rather have 100 Bob Ryans than one Crabtownboy.
vooks
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BobRyan,
I don't doubt whatever you said. Women prophets goes beyond Ellen White.
1 Corinthians 14:5-6 (KJV)
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven
This verse shows women prophesying as well. My question is, did Ellen White cover her head while prophesying and would you teach the same for modern prophets?
Is that all you've got, those verses say they were ministers of the gospel, there is nothing there about women Pastors or Bishops. Please try again.
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Is that all you've got, those verses say they were ministers of the gospel, there is nothing there about women Pastors or Bishops. Please try again.
Since these women were obviously leaders in the church, and since there is at least one instance of teaching a man, how do you square this with Paul saying elsewhere that women should keep silent in the church?
BobRyan
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Plus we are more interested in "sola scriptura" discussion than rank intolerance in true Catholic dark ages model that "some here prefer" -- and Trinity Magazine's Walter Martin in his research on the subject is honest enough to admit to the SDA position as a Christian denomination.
So also Christianity Today in admitting that the SDA church is now the 5th largest Christian denomination world wide.
Targus would prefer the more Catholic dark-ages intolerance idea when Bible texts surface that do not fit with man-made-traditions. But his methods were already tried out in full in the dark ages -- and we all see how that went.
I prefer the Bible -- instead of his preferences so well demonstrated in the dark ages.
in Christ,
Bob
BobRyan
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you can't turn every thread into one of your "less Bible more factless rant please" fluff subjects.
If you one believes that people will die and go to hell because they did not worship on Saturday then they are heretics. Plain and simple. Nothing Christian and nothing biblical about that.
vooks
Active Member
BobRyan,
I don't doubt whatever you said. Women prophets goes beyond Ellen White.
1 Corinthians 14:5-6 (KJV)
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven
This verse shows women prophesying as well. My question is, did Ellen White cover her head while prophesying and would you teach the same for modern prophets?
vooks
Active Member
SDA pulled a fast one on Walter Martin, they scrambled a doctrinal statement just for him but promptly discarded it afterwards:tonofbricks:
What is so Christian about defilement of Heaven by confessed sins?
Fact Sheet, Ellen G. White
Ellen G. White
By Dr. Robert Morey
Category: Cults
There is only one fundamental issue between Evangelicals and Seventh-day Adventists: Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of God? She was either whom she claimed to be or she was a liar or a nut case. There are no other logical options.
I. Her Claims:
“God was speaking through clay. In these letters which I write, in the testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write an article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision–the precious rays of light shining from the throne.”
E.G. WHITE TESTIMONIES, vol. 3, p. 63.
“When I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God.”
E.G. WHITE TESTIMONIES, Vol. 5, p. 66l.
“Those who are reproved by the Spirit of God should not rise up against the humble instrument. It is God and not an erring mortal, who has spoken to save them from ruin.”
TESTIMONY FOR THE CHURCH, Vol. 3, p. 257.
“Seventh Day Adventists hold that Ellen G. White performed the work of a true prophet during the seventy years of her public ministry. As Samuel was a prophet, as Jeremiah was a prophet, as John the Baptist, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today.”
THE ADVENT REVIEW & HERALD (l0/4/l928)
II. The Evidence:
What of White’s Prophecies? Did she predict the Second Coming of Christ? Yes she did!
l843 “I have seen that the l843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord and that it should not be altered, that the figures were as he wanted them.”
Early Writings, p. 64, l882 ed.
l844 “We heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming.”
A Word To The Little Flock, p. l4, l847 ed.
l845 “It is well known that many were expecting the Lord to come at the 7th month, l845. That Christ would then come we firmly believed. A few days before the time past…Ellen was with the band at Carver, Mass., where she saw in vision, that we should be disappointed.”
A Word To The Little Flock, p.22, l847 ed.
l849 “Now time is almost finished and what we have been 6 years learning they will have to learn in months.”
Early Writings, p. 57.
l856 “I was shown the company present at the conference. Said the angel: ‘Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.”
TestimoniesFor The Church, vol. I, pp. l3l-l32.
l862 “The system of slavery, which has ruined our nation, is left to live and stir up another rebellion.”
Early Writings, p. 256.
Since White’s predictions of the return of Christ did not come true, we must conclude on the basis of Deut. 18:21-23 that she was a false prophet.
III. What About White’s Visions?
The biblical and historical material that White claimed to receive by way of visions was actually stolen from dozens of books. (See: Walter Rea, The White Lie, M&R Pub., 1982, Box 2056, Turlock, Ca. 9538l). The health and nutrition visions were also stolen from medical books of that period. (See: Ronald Numbers, Prophetess of Health, Harper & Row, N.Y., 1976).
Conclusion
The only conclusion possible is that Ellen G. White was not only a dishonest woman who plagiarized the works of others, but she was also a false prophet.
Ellen G. White
By Dr. Robert Morey
Category: Cults
There is only one fundamental issue between Evangelicals and Seventh-day Adventists: Was Ellen G. White a prophetess of God? She was either whom she claimed to be or she was a liar or a nut case. There are no other logical options.
I. Her Claims:
“God was speaking through clay. In these letters which I write, in the testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write an article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision–the precious rays of light shining from the throne.”
E.G. WHITE TESTIMONIES, vol. 3, p. 63.
“When I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God.”
E.G. WHITE TESTIMONIES, Vol. 5, p. 66l.
“Those who are reproved by the Spirit of God should not rise up against the humble instrument. It is God and not an erring mortal, who has spoken to save them from ruin.”
TESTIMONY FOR THE CHURCH, Vol. 3, p. 257.
“Seventh Day Adventists hold that Ellen G. White performed the work of a true prophet during the seventy years of her public ministry. As Samuel was a prophet, as Jeremiah was a prophet, as John the Baptist, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today.”
THE ADVENT REVIEW & HERALD (l0/4/l928)
II. The Evidence:
What of White’s Prophecies? Did she predict the Second Coming of Christ? Yes she did!
l843 “I have seen that the l843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord and that it should not be altered, that the figures were as he wanted them.”
Early Writings, p. 64, l882 ed.
l844 “We heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming.”
A Word To The Little Flock, p. l4, l847 ed.
l845 “It is well known that many were expecting the Lord to come at the 7th month, l845. That Christ would then come we firmly believed. A few days before the time past…Ellen was with the band at Carver, Mass., where she saw in vision, that we should be disappointed.”
A Word To The Little Flock, p.22, l847 ed.
l849 “Now time is almost finished and what we have been 6 years learning they will have to learn in months.”
Early Writings, p. 57.
l856 “I was shown the company present at the conference. Said the angel: ‘Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.”
TestimoniesFor The Church, vol. I, pp. l3l-l32.
l862 “The system of slavery, which has ruined our nation, is left to live and stir up another rebellion.”
Early Writings, p. 256.
Since White’s predictions of the return of Christ did not come true, we must conclude on the basis of Deut. 18:21-23 that she was a false prophet.
III. What About White’s Visions?
The biblical and historical material that White claimed to receive by way of visions was actually stolen from dozens of books. (See: Walter Rea, The White Lie, M&R Pub., 1982, Box 2056, Turlock, Ca. 9538l). The health and nutrition visions were also stolen from medical books of that period. (See: Ronald Numbers, Prophetess of Health, Harper & Row, N.Y., 1976).
Conclusion
The only conclusion possible is that Ellen G. White was not only a dishonest woman who plagiarized the works of others, but she was also a false prophet.