Adventists and Catholics: extra-biblical inspiration and infallibility

[vooks]

These two sects believe outside the 24 inspired and infallible prophets in the 66 books of the bible, some mortals exhibit the same traits.

For SDAs, it is just one woman, their godess, Ellen White while for Catholics,it is the popes.

A catholic will swear that they believe in scriptures not men but their beliefs are carefully filtered through Rome. The can't afford to differ with Papal Rome. An SDA on the other hand may spew tons of verses, but they dread opposing Ellen White. That is regarded as a damnable heresy.


SDAs are just a different shade of Catholicism. Little wonder then that like David's indignation in 2Samuel 12, they are really angry at themselves!

 

[targus]

Uh oh... what is Bob Ryan to do?

In his world vooks is Catholic!

 

[BobRyan]

so much sandbox fluff -- so little time vooks?

Try something that is valid according to the actual Bible - instead of constantly "making stuff up". Christianity maybe.

Then we can talk.

 

[targus]

so much sandbox fluff -- so little time vooks?

Try something that is valid according to the actual Bible - instead of constantly "making stuff up". Christianity maybe.

Then we can talk.

What exactly is vooks making up?

Remember we are to always be ready with an answer.

What's the matter? Ellen got your tongue?

 

[vooks]

so much sandbox fluff -- so little time vooks?

Try something that is valid according to the actual Bible - instead of constantly "making stuff up". Christianity maybe.

Then we can talk.

We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other.

Ministry, October 1981.
https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1981/10/

 

[BobRyan]

We believe the Bible and the Bible teaching on NOT rejecting the prophets that God sends EVEN if those prophets are as Nathan and Elijah that author not ONE book of scripture.

vooks then looks for some "emotionalism" to address it with - "as if" that sort of low-road response to the Bible is "most compelling" on Baptist Board. As my signature line points out - that may be true for some - but many actually "read" the Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[vooks]

We believe the Bible and the Bible teaching on NOT rejecting the prophets that God sends EVEN if those prophets are as Nathan and Elijah that author not ONE book of scripture.

vooks then looks for some "emotionalism" to address it with - "as if" that sort of low-road response to the Bible is "most compelling" on Baptist Board. As my signature line points out - that may be true for some - but many actually "read" the Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

All those prophets who never authored the scriptures are found in the scriptures not outside. What's the point of a canon if God equally reveals and inspires men throughout just as before?

To equate anything outside scriptures to the prophets and apostles is the same error Catholicism have engaged in. And not just Catholics but Jehovah's Witnesses. They all look outside scriptures for God's voice and they readily find one somewhere. Mormons have Joseph Smith, Catholics have Papacy, Adventists have Ellen White for authority on doctrine, and Jehovah's Witnesses have Watchtower Society.

This is why a Catholic has unshakeable confidence in Assumption of Mary, an Adventist in sin-transfer to the sanctuary not to mention vegetarianism,a Jehovah Witness and their mutating love-hate relationship with blood transfusion

Anyway, it's a free world BobRyan, some Hindus drink cow piss:laugh:

 

[vooks]

Ellen Gould White

I testify the things which I have seen, the things which I have heard, the things which my hands have handled of the Word of life. And this testimony I know to be of the Father and the Son. We have seen and do testify that the power of the Holy Ghost has accompanied the presentation of the truth, warning with pen and voice, and giving the messages in their order. To deny this work would be to deny the Holy Ghost, and would place us in that company who have departed from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits.

Selected Messages Book 2, page 388.

In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the *testimonies of His Spirit. There never was a time when God instructed His people more earnestly then He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.

Testimonies 4 p. 147

You can see how the entire world save SDAs are deluded for not heeding to the 'testimonies of His Spirit' aka Ellen White writings.

 

[vooks]

It has been presented to me that, so far as possible, I am to impart instruction in the language of the Scriptures; for there are those whose spiritual discernment is confused, and when their errors are reproved, they will misinterpret and misapply what I might write, and thus make of none-effect the words of warning that the Lord sends. He desires that the message He sends shall be recognized as the words of eternal truth.

—Letter 280; 1906, page 4 (To "My Brethren and Sisters in Denver and Boulder," August 27, 1906); cited in Manuscript Releases Volume Five, page 151; Chapter Title: "Ellen White Comments on Her Work and Inspiration".

Beloved, if you want 'words of eternal truth' and you are not reading Ellen White you are lost

 

[vooks]

BobRyan,
I never coauthored Testimonies so this garbage is 120% White lies:tonofbricks:
Read here and keep your silly tantrums to yourself. You are too old for this. Read!

If you seek to turn aside the counsel of God to suit yourselves, if you lessen the confidence of God’s people in the testimonies He has sent them, you are rebelling against God as were Korah, Dathan, and Abriam.

Testimonies 5 p. 66.
Anything lessening confidence including causing doubt in Ellen White is rebelling against God

 

[vooks]

The UNSTABLE and UNLEARNED pretend to esteem Scriptures above all

Vooks - once again I will be going with the Bible on this one - so yet another topic where the Bible is going to be more important that the fluff you were offering us by contrast.

But this is their well;

There is hope for every remnant believer today who sometimes feels confused at all the differing views taken by different scholars and commentaries. We have that was given for the purpose of settling the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. What do you do when the scholars disagree? Do you have to become a better scholar than the best in order to settle the disagreement in your own mind? No, let me repeat. God has given to our church an inspired commentary to settle the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. And we can still be thankful for that today."

Morris Venden, The Pillars, p. 30.
The ONLY 'inspired' commentary in the entire universe :laugh:

 

[vooks]

The UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE all swear they have the Bible on their side

I have the Bible -- #4

You have ... Morris Venden????

Maybe you need to consider picking up a Bible while discussing Bible doctrine.

Your "appeal to sola-emotionalism" wont work on this thread.

in Christ,

Bob

But in reality, they worship their godess

The Bible and the writings of Ellen White are inerrant.

Sabbath School-Quarterly; Feb. 11, 1978, Teacher's Edition, p. 112.

 

[vooks]

The Bible is an infallible guide but it needs to be infallibly interpreted, to avoid confusion and division. When will the people of God cease trusting in their own wisdom? When will they come to the place where they will cease to measure, construe, and interpret by their own reason what God says to them through His appointed channel? When we come to the place where we place no trust in man or in the wisdom of man, but unquestionably accept and act upon what God says through this gift, then will the spirit of prophecy as set before us in the Bible and confirmed among us and become in fact a counselor, guide and final court of appeal among God's people".

Adventist Review, June 3. 1971, p, 6. The Source of Final Appeal, By Roderick S. Owen.

And a screenshot for anyone too lazy to click this link

 

[vooks]

The Bible -- #4

Vookism -- #8

Pick one.

in Christ,

Bob

Meet the INSPIRED INTERPRETER of New and Old Testament, the only one in the entire world since 96AD, Pope Ellen White

How advantaged the Seventh-day Adventist Church is to have a modern inspired interpreter of both the Old and New Testaments! Surely there is every logical reason to give the inspired interpretation top priority in arriving at our understanding of the world today.

Sabbath School Quarterly, April-June 1976, p. 92. Lesson Author Gordon M. Hyde, Editor W. Richard Lesher.

PS: The very mention of this mental patient gives BobRyan fits:laugh:

 

[vooks]

Today being Saturday,Adventist's will troop to church, Pope White the infallible interpreter of OT and NT will be read. Scriptures will also be casually read just to see if they conform to Pope

 

[BobRyan]

What exactly is vooks making up?

Remember we are to always be ready with an answer. <obligatory snark and rant delete here... as usual>

As I said repeatedly --- "Give me the Bible AND the words IN the Bible" -- vooks is fishing for "emotionalism sans all Bible truth" and trying to find like-minded posters.

How "instructive".

Vook's attack on the Bible doctrine of 1Cor 12 and 14 - and on 1Thess 5 regarding God's gift of prophecy -- is noted.

Just interesting at this point to see who falls for it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[vooks]

As I said repeatedly --- "Give me the Bible AND the words IN the Bible" -- vooks is fishing for "emotionalism sans all Bible truth" and trying to find like-minded posters.

How "instructive".

Vook's attack on the Bible doctrine of 1Cor 12 and 14 - and on 1Thess 5 regarding God's gift of prophecy -- is noted.

Just interesting at this point to see who falls for it.

in Christ,

Bob

Mormons also quote 1 Cor 12 and 14 and 1 Thess 5 regarding prophecy. Anybody who doubts Joseph Smith is attacking Bible doctrine:tonofbricks: