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This morning, I was studying in 1Peter 5: and came across the word “ensample”, and as usual, I simply read it as “example” and started to move on....
Then I thought that I should make sure, that “ensample” us indeed identical to our word “example”, so I dug into it some more.

First of all, I nailed it down that they are identical: But I continued studying this word, when I found that this English word example, was translated from 4 or 5 different Greek words. Then I made a marvelous discovery in 1 Peter 2:21.....
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:”

The Greek word used for the English word “example” in this verse, is only found “one time” in the Bible and it has a specific and unique definition in the application of this verse.(I will leave it to you, to discover this application for yourself
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But in this discovery, I realized how VALUABLE it is, for every serious Bible student to have a copy of Strong’s concordance available to them, for situations just like this.

Then it came to mind, that this “could be”, a reason to compare other English translations(in my study of the Bible): Maybe..., some other version could actually be more “scholarly” than the KJB. Therefore, even though I am a KJB man(all the way), I went to the internet and looked up, how a few of the most popular modern versions, would state 1Peter 2:21, to see if any of them would give any hint, of the unique quality of the word “example”, found in this verse.

I am here to report, that for all the effort that is put into all these other modern translations, it is just a bunch of hooey. We have not been missing ANYTHING, by sticking to our old KJB.

 

Good morning Scarlett O.

The verse that I was talking about in 1Peter 5:, was verse 3.....
“Neither as being lords over God’ s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.”

And the point that I am making with this thread is the unwise practice, that so many Christians have fallen into, of regularly using “more than one English version of the Bible”, in their daily study of God’s Word.

This practice is “unwise” for several reasons; But at the top of the list, is the subtle effect it will have upon a Christians “attitude” toward the Word of God. The bad attitude that I am referring to, is gradually getting away from a belief in the “supernatural quality” of God’s Word.

The Bible, has existed for ever(Psalms 119:89), and it never changes nor can it be improved upon. Therefore, this practice of continually producing more and more versions of the Bible in the same language(English), is both foolish and hurtful. It’s foolish, because of man’s idea that they know more than God; And it’s hurtful because it paints a picture of “the Bible” as being an imperfect document, that must be constantly revised.

Now I have heard all the arguments about the KJB having been repeatedly revised from it’s 1611 state to the 1769 version that we now use. This argument does not hold water, because all of these changes were made to correct “human errors” in that first version.(Removing the Apocrypha and correcting spelling errors & typos, etc.)

The point made by our mutual observation of the word “example”(being repeatedly used in modern versions), is the “useless waste of time” it is, to compare multiple versions of the Bible. Also, every time someone does this, they are being subtly reminded that God was unable to perfectly preserve His Word for us. This is an attack upon our faith.

 

Hello again
You said....

That is the case here, but there are thousands of examples(all over the Bible), of words being changed or removed and verses being removed or shortened. Therefore the point is, when comparing one version to anther, where a word or verse is removed, “we” are left to decide which one we are going to accept. God’s Word should NEVER be view in this light. It means what is says and says what it means.
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Next you said......

This is the danger: These changes are so “subtle”, that our faith can be effected, without us even being aware of it.....
Jeremiah 17:9-10
V.9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
V.10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”
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You also said......

For the same reason I don’t read the oldest English version “the Wycliffe Bible”: (Because of the typos and the miss-spelled words). I have a PDF copy of Wycliffe’s Bible and it contains all of the verses & variant translations that all the modern versions have removed. The point here is, if God’s people(who speak English), (who also had God’s indwelling Holy Spirit), accepted this as God’s Word for over 600 years. We can know for sure, that if this was not God’s preserved Word, than God’s people would not have universally accepted it, for all those centuries.
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Finally you said......

The argument that purpose of modern versions of the Bible are to put it into “the vernacular of the day”, is just the party line. “If” that was the case, than we could have had a new version in 1900 then another one in the year 2000, and that would have been enough. “But” that is not the purpose of the over 200 versions that exist today. It has been going on for 6000 years, but the latest and most effective attack upon God’s Word was unleashed in 1891, by Wescott & Hort, how had a documented hatred of the KJB, and laterally came up with “there own” Greek New Testament, to discredit it.

The true purpose of the modern translations, is much more sinister, than we will every know.

 

They rejected the Textus Receptus and used two corrupted manuscripts, the “Vaticanus and Sinaiticus”(that don’t even line up with one another), and combined them, and “Laterally” came up with "there own" Greek New Testament.

 

Hello wpe3bql

Did you even read my posts? (Undoubtedly not). Most of what you stated that “he said”, was not even hinted at, in my posts?!?

 

Hello Rippon, I didn’t think you were still here.

First you asked.....

Of course your right(I’m glad flesh it out). When I said “all over the Bible”, I was really only talking about the New Testament. One example that comes to mind, is the last 12 verses in Mark 16:
Now, although those verses have not actually been removed from most modern versions, the footnote that is attached to them, is something like this... “these verses are not found in the best Greek manuscripts”.
This casting of doubt upon the validity of God’s Word, is tantamount to removing it.
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Next you said.....

This is crux of the argument. I choose to believe the Bible and you chose to believe men who say these verse were added by the translators of KJB. Should we believe God’s Word or man’s words?
Oh by the way, 229 years before the KJB, the last 12 verses of Mark 16along with 1John 5:7), were securely preserved in God’s Word(in Wycliffe’s Bible). It wasn’t until 1891, that they were removed.
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Then you said.........

You clearly misunderstood my statement, when referring to this 600 year period.
Although I was talking about the first 600 years that the Bible in the English language had been in existence. I was not referring to that document; I was talking about God, in the person of the Holy Spirit, within the hearts of English speaking believers, who were reading this document.
I was pointing out, how God put His stamp of approval upon this English Bible, by way of the great revivals that covered the English speaking world, during that same time period, that this Bible was looked upon as “God’s Word”!
Now, when you put that record up against the state of the Church, from about 1900 to the present, you can clearly see, that God is not blessing the way things are now.
We can see this same example throughout the Old Testament. Every time God’s people got away from God’s Word, their walk with the Lord suffered, the same way it is today.
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You also stated.....

This still doesn’t explain why groves of new versions are being produce every year? Is our language changing that much on a daily basis?
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Then again.....

Yes, the KJB, is God’s Word! Are “all” of the other English versions also God’s Word?...
Well, yes they are; But I prefer a complete Bible myself.
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At this point you seemed to praise Westcott and Hort, for their work.
I respectfully disagree.

 

Good evening McCree79
Thank you for your respectful response.

You asked......

As touched on before, here is a good example.....
The Bible says in 1 John 5:7.....
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

While the NIV states that 1 John 5:7 says.....
“For there are three that testify:”
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As for my use of the word “Sinister”(suggestive of evil intent), this goes back to my OP.
I genuinely searched modern versions, in hopes that any of them might be useful in helping me to get a deeper understanding of what that verse said. After not finding any of them giving more light in this area, I saw their omissions in areas that spoke to the Deity of Christ, as “Sinister”!