All the shouting is history. All the pandering was left at Reagan's library. So who, in your mind won? Who hurt the self most? And who had the best response?
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Second debate. Who won?
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IMHO -
No one wins a debate -
A debate is simply an opportunity to express your views.
Lets use this example.
Suppose there was a debate with a Baptist, Roman Catholic, Jew, and a Buddhist.
The powers that be determined that the Buddhist won the debate. What would that mean.
Now, we might say that the Baptist was weak in his presentation, but....
No one wins a debate -
A debate is simply an opportunity to express your views.
Lets use this example.
Suppose there was a debate with a Baptist, Roman Catholic, Jew, and a Buddhist.
The powers that be determined that the Buddhist won the debate. What would that mean.
Now, we might say that the Baptist was weak in his presentation, but....
How I would organize the debate
The debate of 17 Sep had 11 candidates.
Eleven candidates is simply too many.
So how would should we make the cut.
Currently, the top tier is based on polls taken. In itself, not too bad of an ideal.
But here is my ideal:
When taking the poll - ask those being questioned to list their top FIVE choices of candidates in order.
A weighted average would be assigned
For Example: if one hundred were surveyed and
for Mr. Trump:
First choice 22 x 5 = 110
Second ........4 x 4 =. 16
Third............7 x 3 =. 21
Fourth..........2 x 2 =.. 4
Fifth.............9 x 1 =.. 9
Total.......................160 --- divide by 5 = 32
The top 5 weighted average would be invited to the top tier debate.
Use the same for a second and even 3rd tier debate.
Thoughts
The debate of 17 Sep had 11 candidates.
Eleven candidates is simply too many.
So how would should we make the cut.
Currently, the top tier is based on polls taken. In itself, not too bad of an ideal.
But here is my ideal:
When taking the poll - ask those being questioned to list their top FIVE choices of candidates in order.
A weighted average would be assigned
For Example: if one hundred were surveyed and
for Mr. Trump:
First choice 22 x 5 = 110
Second ........4 x 4 =. 16
Third............7 x 3 =. 21
Fourth..........2 x 2 =.. 4
Fifth.............9 x 1 =.. 9
Total.......................160 --- divide by 5 = 32
The top 5 weighted average would be invited to the top tier debate.
Use the same for a second and even 3rd tier debate.
Thoughts
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Who scored some points with voters and helped their cause the most with voters in the polls? In order:
Fiorina
Christie
Rubio
Cruz
Fiorina
Christie
Rubio
Cruz
I didn't watch the debate because it was aired when I was still at my church helping out with our AWANA youth group--something on which I put a much higher priority at present than any POTUS debate.
Personally, at this point in time I really don't care that much about either the D or the R POTUS hopefuls are. Only twice since 1968--when I first became eligible to vote in what was my home state (PA, even though I was actually in West Germany stationed at Ramstein Air Base, and had just turned 21 {The 26th Amendment lowering the voting age wasn't ratified until 1971--3 years after I turned 21.}).
I had applied for an absentee ballot, but the PA bureaucrats first needed to know what my party affiliation was before processing my absentee ballot. I guess that back then in PA you actually had to officially register in a particular party in order to vote in any election.
Anyway, I had already voted in the newly formed Constitutional Party of PA (This shouldn't be confused with the Constitution Party of PA. Although their names are very close, the party in which I registered in 1967 apparently disbanded sometime in the 1970's--which at that time I'd moved from PA to TN and had to change my political party affiliation to a different one, which I did.
Well, come 1968, I voted for the American Independent Party's candidate. Only twice since then did I ever vote for the GOP's candidate, and that was in 1980 & 1984. Every other time I voted for a third party candidate, and, given the way things are developing at this point, I just may wind up doing that again come next November.
The only other GOP candidate I might have voted for was their candidate in 1964. Of course I couldn't have done that because I was too young (only 18 then), but I did all I could to support his candidacy back then--little did I know that within a year I'd be stationed in the state he represented in the US Senate, and within the following year I actually got to shake his hand.
Anyway, I might be more interested in what the GOP field of candidates are sometime after the NH primary, which in usually held in January of the election year. At least by then I expect the field of candidates will be reduced somewhat--only time will tell.
Personally, at this point in time I really don't care that much about either the D or the R POTUS hopefuls are. Only twice since 1968--when I first became eligible to vote in what was my home state (PA, even though I was actually in West Germany stationed at Ramstein Air Base, and had just turned 21 {The 26th Amendment lowering the voting age wasn't ratified until 1971--3 years after I turned 21.}).
I had applied for an absentee ballot, but the PA bureaucrats first needed to know what my party affiliation was before processing my absentee ballot. I guess that back then in PA you actually had to officially register in a particular party in order to vote in any election.
Anyway, I had already voted in the newly formed Constitutional Party of PA (This shouldn't be confused with the Constitution Party of PA. Although their names are very close, the party in which I registered in 1967 apparently disbanded sometime in the 1970's--which at that time I'd moved from PA to TN and had to change my political party affiliation to a different one, which I did.
Well, come 1968, I voted for the American Independent Party's candidate. Only twice since then did I ever vote for the GOP's candidate, and that was in 1980 & 1984. Every other time I voted for a third party candidate, and, given the way things are developing at this point, I just may wind up doing that again come next November.
The only other GOP candidate I might have voted for was their candidate in 1964. Of course I couldn't have done that because I was too young (only 18 then), but I did all I could to support his candidacy back then--little did I know that within a year I'd be stationed in the state he represented in the US Senate, and within the following year I actually got to shake his hand.
Anyway, I might be more interested in what the GOP field of candidates are sometime after the NH primary, which in usually held in January of the election year. At least by then I expect the field of candidates will be reduced somewhat--only time will tell.
wpe3bql, good post! My uncle always said that they told him if he voted for Goldwater that there would be a war in Viet Nam. Well, he voted for Goldwater, and sure enough there was a war in Viet Nam.
I myself do not want to vote for a casino owner. Perhaps Trump should divest himself of his gambling interests forever.
I myself do not want to vote for a casino owner. Perhaps Trump should divest himself of his gambling interests forever.
Zaac
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I'm not even sure why they call these debates. They aren't debating anything.
I keep asking, if everyone on stage has the same basic ideologies, what is there to debate? And if it's not a debate, what's the real purpose of the "show"?
Doubting Thomas
Active Member
I liked Rand the best overall.
poncho
Well-Known Member
That would make you a radical in this crowd. :smilewinkgrin:
Zaac
Well-Known Member
He can't win because he won't allow the warmongers to make any money. :laugh:
Doubting Thomas
Active Member
Sadly, you're probably right.
(But, hey, looks like we may agree on something. :applause: )
Doubting Thomas
Active Member
I voted for Ron it the past two elections (as a write-in).
Voting for fringe candidates ensures the other side wins. Lots of good hearted folks voted for Ross, but that only ushered in Bill and Hillary.
I am one of the 26 million loyal Americans who voted for Goldwater, and so the blood of 50,000 soldiers is on the hands of the leftists who voted for LBJ. Hey Hey LBJ, how many kids have your killed today....
Communists like to scapegoat bank and corporations, never mind it was all controlling governments that killed 50 million of their own in the last century. Germany (NASI) Soviet Union, China, ring a bell?
BTW, the Bible teaches it is better to be free than slave.
I am one of the 26 million loyal Americans who voted for Goldwater, and so the blood of 50,000 soldiers is on the hands of the leftists who voted for LBJ. Hey Hey LBJ, how many kids have your killed today....
Communists like to scapegoat bank and corporations, never mind it was all controlling governments that killed 50 million of their own in the last century. Germany (NASI) Soviet Union, China, ring a bell?
BTW, the Bible teaches it is better to be free than slave.
You have a habit of making lengthy off topic posts in many, many, threads. Why?
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