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Internet Theologian

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This I believe is error. It is the Reformed or Calvinistic view. As I said before it makes God out to be schizophrenic, or at the very least it makes the Calvinistic to blatantly contradict the Scriptures having God contradict himself.

Please validate your above implications of the brothers my friend.

First, the ministry of the Holy Spirit is well defined in John 16:8-11.

Amen! It actually extends beyond verse 11 though.

Second, there is no scripture backing up this concept that faith and repentance are gifts from God to the unsaved.

There actually are. It is not according to man's ability nor are these innate, but are instead granted by God.
Third, God commands all men every where to repent. He commands men to repent. He doesn't change his mind and then say: "Never mind I will do the repenting for you." Absurd.

Straw man. By the way that is in Acts and you say that it isn't in the NT epistles so you do away with this necessary command by your improper hermeneutic.

Fourth, the same is true with faith. Well over a hundred times we are commanded to have faith or believe. Why would Christ command us to believe or have faith, and then turn around and say: "never mind, I will do it for you. I will give you the faith to believe."

He doesn't do it for us, he grants us the ability. More straw man arguments from you bro.

God is not a schizophrenic. He commands us to repent.

That's in Acts and you preach it is invalid because it is not in the NT epistles and argue for it only being a transitional thing. Funny how God according to you changed His methods of calling His elect after the ministries in the book of Acts ended.

Maybe God changes things for the better or improves on His old methods, trial and error. Maybe that is what you are getting at.

He commands us to believe. He never says he will do it for us, or give us repentance and faith. This is contrary to all teaching in the Bible and contrary to the very nature of God.

Furthermore faith in the Bible in spoken of in two ways: as a spiritual gift in 1Cor.12 and as a fruit of the Spirit in Gal.6. God would never give one of his gifts of the Spirit neither Spiritual fruit to the unregenerate.

You teach people already have this faith inside them before salvation. Then you argue that it would be absurd for God to give faith to persons before salvation. Hmmm. Your argument is seen for what it is here my friend, it's senseless.

This is totally absurd.

Agreed, your argument is just that.

He commands all men to repent. He commands all men to believe. I still have never received an answer to the question "Whatever happened to sola fide?" Have they just all tossed it out the window. It is no longer believed. How many other "solas" do todays reformers no longer believe?

Straw man argument.
 
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InTheLight

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Anything IT can't answer he delegates to the arena of "straw man argument." Typical.
Or he calls you names, or he says you're not of the faith, or he says you're ignorant, or he says his "proof" has been deleted from the board, or he just plain doesn't respond.

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Internet Theologian

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Anything IT can't answer he delegates to the arena of "straw man argument." Typical.
In other words you have no answers. To you it is absurd for God to give men faith while they are unregenerate yet you teach all men have faith, even the unregenerate.
 

InTheLight

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Did you answe any of the 146 verses yet ITL?
None of them say "repent of your sins". That was my challenge to you, find a verse or verses that tell us we must "repent of our sins" to be saved. As usual you put up a wall of catechism and confessions along with reams of unrelated scripture. But you swung and missed.

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Iconoclast

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None of them say "repent of your sins". That was my challenge to you, find a verse or verses that tell us we must "repent of our sins" to be saved. As usual you put up a wall of catechism and confessions along with reams of unrelated scripture. But you swung and missed.

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and you have offered no scripture like Y1 always failed to do.
 

InTheLight

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and you have offered no scripture like Y1 always failed to do.
I'm contending there is no scripture that says "repent of your sins", so why in the world would I post scripture? Sheesh!

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DHK

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In other words you have no answers. To you it is absurd for God to give men faith while they are unregenerate yet you teach all men have faith, even the unregenerate.
Go back and read my post careful. Instead of answering it with denials, innuendos, and unsubstantiated opinions, try refuting my answers with Scripture and see how far you get.
All men have faith. That is true. However, all faith is not given to all men. Faith is innate. Faith is practiced by man every day; not faith in God but faith on others and faith in other things. The rich young ruler walked away sorrowful because he put his trust or faith in his riches rather than in Christ.

Jesus said that except you be like these little children you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
Except you have faith as little children you cannot enter heaven.
He was speaking of their simplistic faith. Even small children, as small as infants, have faith. That is what Christ was teaching. They have innate faith in their parents that it is their parents that will provide, nurture, protect, etc. them, and not some stranger. The object of their faith is their parents.
What or who is the object of your faith? If it is not Jesus Christ and his saving work on the cross you cannot be saved. That is what biblical faith is all about.
 

DHK

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and you have offered no scripture like Y1 always failed to do.
You have provided an unbiblical definition of repentance. You have yet to back up your definition with scripture. Posting scripture from a catechism does not prove your point. Post scripture and demonstrated by way of explanation how your scripture supports your definition. Use your own words.
 

Iconoclast

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You have provided an unbiblical definition of repentance. You have yet to back up your definition with scripture. Posting scripture from a catechism does not prove your point. Post scripture and demonstrated by way of explanation how your scripture supports your definition. Use your own words.
I have answered from 5 links and from scripture alone. The links provide 146+ verses
I thess 1 shows it...furthermore the definitions of repentance were completely biblical both in the links and in1 thess 1
 

DHK

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I'm contending that there is no scripture that says it is okay to keep all your sins,or to practice any sin.
No one said they believes that. If they did who was it?
Two of us contend that "Repentance does not mean 'repent of all your sins,' and that you cannot find that statement in the Bible. However you contend that that is what a person should do. So back up your words with Scripture.
 

DHK

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I have answered from 5 links and from scripture alone. The links provide 146+ verses
I thess 1 shows it...
No you haven't. You can't. There is no verse in all Scripture that says: "Repent of all your sins."
Yet, you believe in this erroneous teaching. It is unbiblical borderline heresy. The Bible does not teach it. You have never given one scripture that advocates it.
 

Iconoclast

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No one said they believes that. If they did who was it?
Two of us contend that "Repentance does not mean 'repent of all your sins,' and that you cannot find that statement in the Bible. However you contend that that is what a person should do. So back up your words with Scripture.
You can keep your unbiblical conclusion and see where it gets you.
I and others will stick with the biblical teaching offered.

"Repentance does not mean 'repent of all your sins,' and that you cannot find that statement in the Bible. H
This works for me;
13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
 

Internet Theologian

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Go back and read my post careful. Instead of answering it with denials, innuendos, and unsubstantiated opinions, try refuting my answers with Scripture and see how far you get. All men have faith. That is true. However, all faith is not given to all men.

Keep pretending you've never been answered.

What Scripture did you provide that I was to refute? Provide that.

Believe me nothing you say needs re read or read slow. That you are inconsistent, confused, heterodox and all over the place on faith is readily seen.

You say faith isn't given to men by God.

Then you say all men have it including the unsaved.

Then you argue how asinine it is for Scripture and us to argue God gives to unregenerate men faith something you now argue unregenerate men have already.

Now you are arguing above 'however all faith isn't given to all men'.

Faith is innate. Faith is practiced by man every day; not faith in God but faith on others and faith in other things. The rich young ruler walked away sorrowful because he put his trust or faith in his riches rather than in Christ.

There you go! Faith is innate you say, including the unsaved then you mock when it is shown God grants the unregenerate faith. This shows how man-centric your system is.

You praise man for innate faith. You mock Scriptures provided showing it is God who grants faith. Your argument on the rich man is the same. You make it his responsibility to get himself saved or make a move, decision, exercise his own power source of faith, trying to prove man can do this. John 3 shows man cannot do this, it comes from above.

But as usual you're in error. In the same context the disciples were perplexed about this rich man and eternal life and asked the Christ of God 'Who then can be saved?' The Christ answered 'With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible'. That's right, man cannot, as it is an impossibility but you argue that he can. I'm siding with Christ not your man made man exalting soteriology. You're plainly wrong here as usual. Now put a spin on it and show us all how it is possible contrary to what the Christ of God did plainly show. You're an expert at it.

Jesus said that except you be like these little children you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Except you have faith as little children you cannot enter heaven. He was speaking of their simplistic faith. Even small children, as small as infants, have faith. That is what Christ was teaching. They have innate faith in their parents that it is their parents that will provide, nurture, protect, etc. them, and not some stranger. The object of their faith is their parents. What or who is the object of your faith? If it is not Jesus Christ and his saving work on the cross you cannot be saved. That is what biblical faith is all about.

You have enough to answer about what Christ said above and give Him all the glory and none to man.

You're simply making the same error still claiming that man can when the Christ of God, being consistent, is showing man cannot, 'with men it is impossible...'
 
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Martin Marprelate

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No one said they believes that. If they did who was it?
Two of us contend that "Repentance does not mean 'repent of all your sins,' and that you cannot find that statement in the Bible. However you contend that that is what a person should do. So back up your words with Scripture.
How many sins do you think repentance means that you should repent of? Which sins do you think you can carry on with? Just wondering.
 

DHK

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You can keep your unbiblical conclusion and see where it gets you.
I and others will stick with the biblical teaching offered.


This works for me;
13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
CONTEXT:
Proverbs 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.
13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
--It is speaking of the righteous or saved, not the unregenerate. There is no verse in the Bible that commands an unsaved man to repent of all his sins. My statement still stands, and you have not proved otherwise.
 

Martin Marprelate

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There is no verse in all Scripture that says: "Repent of all your sins."
James 2:10. 'For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.'
Now, are you able to keep the whole moral law of God, constantly, perfectly and without exception? If not, what do you think you'd better do about any areas where you may fall short? I'd confess them before God and repent of them if I were you, and I'd make jolly sure that I didn't leave any out that I'm aware of.

Then I'd ask God to show me any areas of sin in my life that I'm unaware of. I'd pray, 'Search me, O God and know my heart; try me and know my anxieties; and see if there is any wicked way in me [any one at all] and lead me in the way everlasting.'
 
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