Featured No adulterers in Heaven !

True Puritan, what you'll find on this board is that if your positions don't match up with their POLITICS ( not God's word, but their politics), then you'll more than likely be deemed a troll.

People often talk about going through the narrow gate. But they dismiss that there is a narrow path that you're supposed to stay on AFTER you go through the narrow gate. Now most here can get with that UNTIL you start pointing out that some of our feet have slipped to the left and right of that narrow way, and we need to be chastened back.

You'll have your posts labeled and your character besmirched because you've gone against the grain of their comfortability.

 

Can anyone else make any sense out of this unintelligible sentence?

 

Reads fine to me. If you've been reading what he's saying instead of trying to demonize him, you might read it fine also.

 

Looks like you have a fixation with a certain group of people.

 

So let's address it 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

If she remarries after the unbelieving spouse leaves is she an adulteress? Paul says she is not under bondage she is free to remarry. So now how do we dissimulate between an unbelieving spouse leaving and a believing spouse? Let's say in the case of the Jenners, he left her to live a life as a female is she free to remarry? He claimed to be a christian yet he has chosen to violate the word of God is she under bondage or free to marry. Under TP's claim she becomes an adulteress if she remarries, yet Scripture is clear she is free of the bonds of that marriage. If as TP claims a man leaves his wife in adultery he is not a believer for he says they will not go to heaven so the woman is free to remarry, so too would a man be free of the bondage of that marriage. What of the man who will not provide for his family we see

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
The infedel who will not provide for his family and is capable denies the faith, the women is therefore free of that marriage bond.

1 Corinthians 7:5 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29,
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Because he laid with her prior to any marriage agreement she became his wife he could not divorce her, there we have the act which was fornication becoming a marriage. He had to pay a dowry.
In the Law given for Israel and inspired by the Holy Spirit we see:

Deuteronomy 24:
1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

If she was sent away for uncleanness she was free to remarry according to the Law, that is according to scripture. It was allowed but she can never remarry the first husband once a second marriage took place. However by TP's assessment she cannot remarry but if she does she must divorce the second and remarry the first in order for it to no longer be Adultery which violates scripture.

With Paul's assessment in 1 Corinthians 7 the unbelieving spouse can leave and the believing spouse is free, so now who decides if the spouse that left was saved or not saved? We cannot look at the heart, we can see what they did so now you have two people wanting join in church fellowship both of whose unbelieving spouses have left them and they have married do you allow them in the fellowship? Paul says you do he says they are not under the bondage of the first marriage. Moses said they could because she was put away and allowed to remarry. Or do you tell them they must divorce and go back to the original spouse which is an abomination just to not call them Adulterers as T.P. claims?

 

Two thoughts.

First, I agree that the Scriptures teach divorce after consummation of a marriage has occurred followed by marriage to another is adultery. I have posted more than once on the BB about such, and so that is not a foreign view to me.

Second, IF I have discerned properly, you (True Puritan) have experienced a spouse who has left you for another, and so you are more "sore" because of the betrayal and battering of your mental and emotional self.

Remember that there is a single condition that sends one to the lake of fire - unbelief.

Possibly the greatest Scriptures to remember when confronting what seems as an inconsistency of living and Scriptures is found in Romans 8:

"31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33 Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 Just as it is written,

“For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”​

37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
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The questions are (as always): What is the estate of one who would abandon or betray after making vows to God to be committed to until death? Is the issue resolving around a commitment deficit, or is there a lack an understanding of consequences and shame?

If the betrayer of commitment is a believer, God will deal with that person as He decides.

If the betrayer of the commitment is an unbeliever, then they are (as John records) "condemned already."

 

I was being sarcastic....

 

And that is the point. Repentance. Everyone can be offered forgiveness and turn away from their sins. You are talking of different ends of the spectrum. People who have committed adultery can enter into heaven with repentance and Christ's forgiveness. GLBT can enter into heaven with repentance and Christ's forgiveness. Anyone can enter into heaven with repentance and forgiveness from Christ alone. If there is true repentance, Christ makes them a new person and extends his grace so they can enter into heaven.

What are you meaning by saying, "Don't be deluded by his wicked majesty Satan." I do believe I was correct in saying/implying Jesus can offer forgiveness for any sin. Your posts however, sound as if there is no hope for these individuals - even though you may actually believe differently. Its like you are saying you must repent of your sins, but then continue to beat people over the head with them. I guess I am confused by your arguments.

If you are simply saying an unrepentant adulterer and GLBT cannot enter into heaven - that is really not a debate????

 

I knew that but wasn't sure some others would know that.

 

And my original comment to this post was meant to be "tongue in cheek." God does call divorce adultery. But again, with repentance, he makes us a new person to go and sin no more. I personally do not believe that every person who is divorced and remarried can never be forgiven.

 

Dude...are you even reading our posts? Or do you just want to rant and rave to hear and read your own words?

 

The point of the O.P. seems to be they cannot receive forgiveness as long as t hey remain married thus being adulterers. With that thinking is they cannot be joined in fellowship because they are continuous sinners and are unsaved. Technically it comes down to adultery causing one to lose their salvation. Because all who believe are not condemned. Yet the point of the O.P. is you cannot be saved if you are going to be an Adulterer at some point in life or that you are not saved because as the OP states No Adulterers will be in heaven. Which I totally disagree with that thinking.

 

Good questions revmwc. I was hoping someone would bring up the exceptions.

Divorce remains a sin no matter how we look at it. But the MARRIAGE COVENANT in such a situation is dissolved and she would not be living in adultery if she remarried.

Why would she be free to remarry? He said he was a Christian. Why , again, does that change, just because he chooses to violate the word of God? This is kinda what I mentioned earlier about no one claiming that Christians who divorce and remarry while their Christian spouse is still alive are any less Christian.

So why would she be free of the bonds of that marriage?

 

You guys need to leave that thing alone.

 

R.L. some kind of way, with a smirky smiley or something else, you'll find it's best to let folks on this board know when you're being sarcastic if there is any doubt.Biggrin